Re: [ga] IDN issues (was: On Elections)

[Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>]

Dear Jeff,

Once again you are mistaken -- recent working groups
have chosen not to function as voting bodies, but
rather as fact-finding teams that work on the basis of
self-evident consensus; as such, the contributions of
observers have been on a par with the contributions of
constituency participants.  Had you been paying
attention instead of merely spewing a constant stream
of uninformed negativity, you would have seen this
development within the WHOIS WG and within the Ad-Hoc
WG on Domain Tasting.









--- jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:

> 
> Danny and all,
> 
>   Observer status on a WG has little or no meaning. 
> Without
> voting status a participant is marginalized
> accordingly.  Of
> course this is systemic to the ICANN/GNSO structure
> anyway.
> Such restrictions reflect clearly yet again how lack
> of 
> transparency and openness prevails within ICANN and
> the GNSO.
> Users or registrants whom are not members of a ICANN
> constituency
> are treated as if the were a Internet form of
> "Illegal Aleian".
> That's hardly accountable!  Frankly our members find
> this diatribe
> insulting and disengenious at best...
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>
> >Sent: Oct 8, 2007 11:34 AM
> >To: JFC Morfin <jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [ga] IDN issues (was: On Elections)
> >
> >
> >Re:  "GA Members are not accepted in ICANN IDN
> >committees:  these are reserved to Constituency
> >members."
> >
> >Sorry, not exactly true.  Former GNSO Council Chair
> >Bruce Tonkin finally allowed for the possibility of
> >observers. He wrote:
> >
> >"There have been some suggested refinements on the
> >Council mailing list to deal with potential
> problems. 
> >At the next Council meeting I will ask the Council
> to
> >formally endorse a policy on observers in working
> >groups.  As the working groups are on a tight
> >time-line, I don't want to hold up the spirit of
> the
> >support I have received from many of the GNSO
> Council
> >members for allowing more participation in working
> >groups.
> >
> >So I encourage working groups to move forward on
> the
> >following basis with respect to allowing
> "observers",
> >who are not GNSO constituency members.
> >
> >"Observers: Observers shall not be members of or
> >entitled to vote on the working group, but
> otherwise
> >shall be entitled to participate on equal footing
> with
> >members of the working group.   In particular
> >observers
> >will be able to join the mailing list, and attend
> >teleconferences or physical meetings."
> >
> >To guard against some of the behaviour that can
> occur
> >with unregulated mailing lists, observers must
> provide
> >their real name, organisation (if associated with
> an
> >organisation) and contact details to the GNSO
> >secretariat, and the GNSO secretariat will verify
> at
> >least their email address and phone contact
> >information.   Observers will also be requested to
> >provide a public statement of interest, as for
> working
> >group members.
> >
> >Where a person joins an already established working
> >group, this will be on the basis that it is their
> >responsibility to read the existing documents,
> listen
> >to teleconference recordings, and read the mailing
> >list discussions before commenting on topics that
> have
> >already been dealt with by the working group."
> >
> >Further, the ALAC IDN WG is open to all.  To
> >subscribe, go to this URL: 
>
>http://atlarge-lists.icann.org/mailman/listinfo/idn-wg_atlarge-lists.icann.org
> >
> >You may also wish to comment on the ALAC response
> to
> >the GAC-CCNSO Issues Paper -- see
>
https://st.icann.org/alac/index.cgi?alac_idn_working_group,
> >
> >
> >       
> =======
> 
> 'Regards,
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 277k
> members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>    Abraham Lincoln
> 
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and
> not with what is very
> often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> 
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and
> the burden, B; liability
> depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d
> Cir. 1947]
>
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