RE: [dow1-2tf] FW: WSJ.com - New Services Are Making It Easier To Hide Who Is Behind Web Sites

[Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

<div>I'm&nbsp;an alternate rep for the registrars on this task
force.&nbsp;I would like to make an informational observation here that
may be useful.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Keep in mind that the customer who pays for a registration may or may
not also&nbsp;be the registrant. There is a distinct difference between
the customer and registrant. There are no provisions in the ICANN
Accreditation Agreement that have anything to do with the registrars
customers. I believe most registrars and their resellers keep a
distinct separation between customers and registrants. I don't believe
any policy that comes out of the task force&nbsp;should attempt
to&nbsp;include any mandates regarding a registrar's *customer*
data.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Registrars, as all online merchants, also have agreements with credit
card processors that have certain restrictions on how that data is used
or shared. And other payment methods such as online checks, PayPal,
wire transfers each have their own issues that would affect how a
registrar may use that data.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Also, I understood Paul's point to be that some registrars provide
enabling technology for resellers but may not be directly processing
their payments. So the registrar of record will not have direct access
to the payment details of the customers of those resellers, nor should
they.</div>
<div>&nbsp;</div>
<div>Tim<BR><BR></div>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 8px; MARGIN-LEFT: 8px; BORDER-LEFT:
blue 2px solid"><BR>-------- Original Message --------<BR>Subject: RE:
[dow1-2tf] FW: WSJ.com - New Services Are Making It Easier<BR>To
&nbsp;Hide Who Is Behind Web Sites<BR>From: "Marc Schneiders"
&lt;marc@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Date: Fri, October 01, 2004 2:23
am<BR>To: "Paul Stahura" &lt;stahura@xxxxxxxx&gt;<BR>Cc: "Steven J.
Metalitz IIPA"
&lt;metalitz@xxxxxxxx&gt;,<BR>dow1-2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><BR>Yes, I
should have said: credit card details, which the registrar or<BR>its
reseller must have.<BR><BR>On Thu, 30 Sep 2004, at 17:33 [=GMT-0700],
Paul Stahura wrote:<BR><BR>&gt; Registrars do not always have the
credit card details, and many, in fact<BR>&gt; seldom do. &nbsp;This is
because a high volume of names are often sold via a<BR>&gt; reseller
(such as Yahoo or MSN) to the registrant.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; -----Original
Message-----<BR>&gt; From: owner-dow1-2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-dow1-2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]<BR>&gt; On Behalf Of Marc
Schneiders<BR>&gt; Sent: Thursday, September 30, 2004 2:09 PM<BR>&gt;
To: Steven J. Metalitz IIPA<BR>&gt; Cc: dow1-2tf@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR>&gt;
Subject: Re: [dow1-2tf] FW: WSJ.com - New Services Are Making It Easier
To<BR>&gt; Hide Who Is Behind Web Sites<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; On Thu, 30 Sep
2004, at 11:57 [=GMT-0400], Steven J. Metalitz IIPA
wrote:<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; &gt; Perhaps TF participants will have more luck
with this link......<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Thanks, Steve, it
worked.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; One issue the article, which I find quite
balanced, doesn't raise, is<BR>&gt; that those who really try to evade
the law, will simply put in fake<BR>&gt; data, and not use cloaking
services. Much safer.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Of course such registrants can
always be found over the credit card<BR>&gt; details, which the
registar must have.<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; So what is the real problem if
criminal offenses are what we are<BR>&gt; talking
about?<BR>&gt;<BR>&gt; Marc<BR>&gt; </BLOCKQUOTE>