RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

["McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@xxxxxxxxxxx>]

Thanks Ed.  While I express no opinion one way or the other on the items you 
list nor on your decision not to raise your concerns on the 2 hour call, I do 
note that I did raise my specific concern with a specific language proposal 
during the call at the specific time that Recommendation 9 was being discussed. 
 I was told that was the purpose of the call.  While I did serve on the 
subteam, I did not draft the section on Recommendation 9 (Keith did) and the 
entire Council list was told by Staff that all of it had not been reviewed by 
each member of the Subteam before it went out.  If there was a deadline to 
review and comment prior to it going it to the entire list, that deadline 
should have been made clear and should have been longer than 48 hours during 
NamesCon.  I guess I don't see why my request that the IPC be heard on 
Recommendation 9 is causing such consternation nor do I see any real benefits 
on doing a switcheroo on the process - if the subteam summary was finalized and 
uncommentable [new word] upon at the time of its submission to the Council 
list, what was the purpose of the 4am Pacific time call?

Like you said, we will just need to trust James B. to get this right and I do 
hope that means allowing IPC's voice to be heard along with its peers.

Best to all,
Paul



From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:46 AM
To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; McGrady, Paul D.
Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January 
regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

Hi Paul,

I'm a bit confused. Is there another Paul McGrady or are you the same Paul 
McGrady who served on the CCWG sub-team with me and, frankly, had more input, 
as I did, to the sub-group submission than did the average Councillor? :)

If you want to use hyperbolic terms like "censorship" I'll oblige: The 
NCSG/NCUC concerns on the role of the GAC were "censored" out of or comments on 
recommendation 1, the NPOC specific concerns on inspection were "censored" out 
of multiple recommendations, the NCSG call for more transparency in WS2 were 
"censored" out of WS 12. Man, we have a lot of "censorship" here. I can 
probably give you another 50 or 60 versions of "censorship" of NPOC/NCSG/NCUC 
views in this document.

Of course, there is no "censorship" going on here. I'd prefer to avoid 
hyperbole and work cooperatively to develop a unified GNSO position on as many 
matters as we can. It won't be possible in every instance or on every 
recommendation or on any point and it won't be perfect and not every point by 
every group some of which diverge) will be captured. We do the best we can. I 
look forward to viewing James effort at doing so and look forward to working 
cooperatively with my fellow Councillors to constructing a response worthy of 
all of the fine groups that compose the GNSO.

Best,

Ed


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From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:PMcGrady@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:25 PM
To: "egmorris1@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:egmorris1@xxxxxxxxx>" 
<egmorris1@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:egmorris1@xxxxxxxxx>>, "WUKnoben" 
<wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx>>, "Mary 
Wong" <mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx>>, 
"council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>" 
<council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January 
regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

Thanks Ed.  I guess we will just have to wait and see if the IPC position is 
censored out of Recommendation 9 or not.  If it is, I suppose that the IPC will 
just have to find other avenues to make sure that the CCWG hears its voice.  
However, the IPC would prefer that the Council give the IPC the same status as 
other C's and SG's whose positions were allowed to be captured in the comments 
to Recommendation 9.

Best,
Paul



From: Edward Morris [mailto:egmorris1@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 7:18 AM
To: WUKnoben; Mary Wong; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; 
McGrady, Paul D.
Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January 
regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

Hi everybody,

I'd suggest we allow James to develop the letter as he proposed to do on the 
call yesterday.

I think Wolf-Ulrich captures the essence of what James will be doing but in 
that he will be basing it upon the SG/C comments he does capture part of Paul's 
concern. I disagree with Paul, though, if he means every comment made by every 
GNSO C/SG should be included in the letter. If we were to do so the letter 
would become a book and useless for the CCWG. Synthesis does require some 
editorial judgement. There were many NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments that were not 
captured during the sub-team's work. If the IPC is to insist all of their 
comments be captured I would be forced to insist all NCSG/NPOC/NCUC comments be 
captured in the letter as well. I don't want to do that.

Let's give James a shot at developing a letter we can all support. It may prove 
to be an impossible task but he certainly has my full faith and confidence as 
he tries to do so.

Best,

Ed



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From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:PMcGrady@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 11:54 AM
To: "WUKnoben" 
<wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx>>, "Mary 
Wong" <mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx>>, 
"council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>" 
<council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: RE: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January 
regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

Hi Wolf-Ulrich,

I thought quite the opposite coming out of the call that there was broad 
agreement that the comments are the important part of our feedback and should 
be included in James' letter.  You raise a much broader issue than just whether 
or not the IPC will be edited out of the Council's comments on Recommendation 9 
when everyone else was included (James, can I have a decision on this sooner 
rather than later?  If the IPC is to be excluded, I need to figure out how to 
explain the Council's decision to include some voices but not others.  Note, 
I'm not asking for anything special here, just that what we submit include 
content from the IPC which was included in our public comment but excluded by 
whomever had that section in the subteam - in other words, a drafting error, 
the correction of which was supposed to be the subject of yesterday's call).

All, regarding Wolf-Ulrich's more general position, did anyone else on the call 
come away with the idea that the various positions of the C's and SG's would 
not be included in James' letter?  I left the call with a 180 degree different 
take away after having several verbal and chat affirmations from several folks 
(including James) that the comments would make their way into the letter and 
the letter would not just be category descriptions (Broad, Limited, None, etc.) 
which would not be help to the CCWG as a feedback mechanism.  If we aren't 
sticking to what we agreed to on the call yesterday, I need to know that as 
soon as possible too, but really hope we didn't through 2 hours out the window.

Best to all,
Paul



From: WUKnoben [mailto:wolf-ulrich.knoben@xxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, January 15, 2016 1:33 AM
To: McGrady, Paul D.; Mary Wong; 
council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January 
regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

My understanding is the council in providing its answer to the CCWG shouldn't 
be repetitive and not just list and combine the SG/C comments made during the 
public comment period. We all know that compromises are needed in order to make 
progress towards an acceptable text. In this respect our constituency refrains 
to go into more details with the exception of rec. 11.

Best regards

Wolf-Ulrich

From: McGrady, Paul D.<mailto:PMcGrady@xxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 5:24 PM
To: Mary Wong<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx> ; 
council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [council] RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January 
regarding the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

Thanks Mary.

Hopefully, we didn't miss our window to be heard.  We thought the purpose of 
today's call was to make sure the Subgroup captured all the comments and not 
that there was a pre-call deadline to review and suggest edits in the 48 hours 
or so given between draft and call.  I also hope that other c's and SG's aren't 
making saliency decisions for each others' comments.   In the sections I 
drafted, I tried to be as inclusive as possible, even if I didn't share the 
concern.  I hope that was the right approach.

Best,
Paul



From: Mary Wong [mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 9:18 AM
To: McGrady, Paul D.; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the 
CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

Hi Paul and everyone,

The staff understanding was that what was, and is to be, included in the final 
document that lays out the Council's response will basically be those SG/C 
comments that are considered to be most salient to the specific point being 
made (e.g. a GNSO condition). We therefore assumed that any additions of 
specific SG/C comments at this point would first go through a review process 
with James and possibly the Sub Team (as they were the ones that compiled the 
extract of SG/C comments). Thanks for the opportunity to clarify that none of 
these is either a staff position or view on what ought or ought not to be 
included or added to the document!

Thanks and cheers
Mary


Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx>
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From: "McGrady, Paul D." <PMcGrady@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:PMcGrady@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
Date: Thursday, January 14, 2016 at 22:20
To: Mary Wong <mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx>>, 
"council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>" 
<council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Subject: RE: Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding the 
CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

Thanks Mary.  Just a quick question on Rec 9.  Why would there need to be a 
review of whether or not to include the IPC comments?  Everyone else's comments 
were included, so I don't know why the IPCs would be subject to a review to see 
if they would be included.  Thanks for your thoughts.

Best,
Paul



From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mary Wong
Sent: Thursday, January 14, 2016 8:17 AM
To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: [council] Action items from GNSO Council call on 17 January regarding 
the CCWG-Accountability Third Draft Proposal

Dear all,

Here are the notes that staff took in relation to action items stemming from 
the Special GNSO Council meeting that just concluded. Please let us know if we 
have missed or mischaracterized anything.

ACTION ITEMS:

  *   Letter explaining GNSO Council response - James to prepare draft for 
Council consideration before 21 January, assisted by Keith and Ed
  *   Rec 5, 11 - James to draft additional language along the lines of what 
was discussed/agreed on the call, assisted by Ed and Paul
  *   Rec 1 - reinsert BC note about strong right of inspection (perhaps with 
cross-reference in/to Rec 3?)
  *   Rec 2 - change "unanimous support" to "broad support"
  *   Rec 3, 4 - no change
  *   Rec 6 - remove last sentence; add note that certain questions remain to 
be resolved in WS2
  *   Rec 7 - no change
  *   Rec 8 - further elaboration needed on note about timeliness (including 
replies and deadlines)
  *   Rec 9 - Review whether IPC comment on AOC section 8(b) and direct 
constituency participation in review teams should be included; review generally 
for accuracy
  *   Rec 10 - emphasize need for it to be a community-led effort
  *   Rec 12 - no change
Staff will follow up with James and the various Council volunteers to ensure 
that you have the updates as soon as practicable.

Thanks and cheers
Mary


Mary Wong
Senior Policy Director
Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN)
Email: mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:mary.wong@xxxxxxxxx>
Telephone: +1-603-5744889


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