[council] Now that I have your attention

[john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]

All.
 
My motivation for lighting this fuse was to bring into the light of day a 
discussion of how ICANN has changed during Fadi's tenure and whether is has 
been good or bad for the organization and the policy development process.  It 
is clear that there is noise from every corner of the community about its 
disenfranchisement.  
 
The tools at my disposal (other than moral suasion) are those available to me 
as a Councillor.  We can put it on our weekend agenda, we can put it on the 
agenda for the public meeting (promoting both to the full GNSO), we can 
construct some sort of callfor an issue report or we can move that the 
initiative be official (though we don't likely have standing).
 
I have no commitment to any one approach, but I am committed to the discussion
 
So, how best do we make that happen?
 
Berard
 
--------- Original Message --------- Subject: RE: [council] Crowdsourcing a 
bi-ennial performance review of the ICANN CEO
From: "Novoa, Osvaldo" <onovoa@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: 3/1/14 5:39 am
To: "Amr Elsadr" <aelsadr@xxxxxxxxxxx>, "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx>, 
"Council" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


 Hi,
 I've been following this discussion for a while and I'm a bit doubtful on it 
being directed to Fahdi directly, I think that the way ICANN is run today is 
due in great part to Fahdi's initiative but with the Boards support.
 Perhaps the review should be more general aim at how ICANN has been operating 
these last years without focusing it almost exclusively on Fahdi's term.
 Best regards,
 Osvaldo
 ________________________________________
 De: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] En nombre de 
Amr Elsadr [aelsadr@xxxxxxxxxxx]
 Enviado el: s&aacute;bado, 01 de marzo de 2014 11:34 a.m.
 Para: Mike O'Connor
 CC: Jonathan Robinson; Avri Doria; Council
 Asunto: Re: [council] Crowdsourcing a bi-ennial performance review of the 
ICANN CEO
 
 Hi,
 
 I share Mikey's concerns about this being a Board-initiated action. I tend to 
also agree that the AC/SO leadership approach is the most suitable one for this 
endeavour. A little nudge from us to that effect wouldn't be a bad idea, 
perhaps in the form of a letter from Jonathan on behalf of the Council, urging 
the AC/SO leaders to launch a chartering effort for a CCWG to perform this 
review.
 
 I just don't see this as a motion that we need a Councillor to make, have it 
seconded then finally voted on. I've only been following Council activities for 
a couple of years, but I tend to feel that that is not the purpose they're 
meant to serve.
 
 Thanks.
 
 Amr
 
 On Mar 1, 2014, at 1:27 PM, Mike O'Connor 
<mike@xxxxxxxxxx><mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
 
 i like the idea of a review by the community.
 
 i was uncomfortable with the motion that John wrote, which a) seemed too 
GNSO-focused and b) launched a review without first taking some time to 
describe what the goals/process would be.
 
 i also like the idea of nudging this toward the Board, or some other body that 
speaks for all the AC/SOs. the trouble i see with that idea is that the Board 
may very well come back and say
 
 - we already give Fadi performance feedback, why are you coming to us with 
this?
 
 - we don't speak for the community, we tend to the larger interests of ICANN
 
 how about this for an alternative approach&hellip; what if Jonathan and the 
other AC/SO leaders put together their own “Montevideo Statement” (after 
consultation with their respective gangs) that assessed their view of the 
current situation and, among other things, called for the chartering and launch 
of such a review, independent of the Board?
 
 this reminds me a bit of the climate that led to the creation of the DSSA - 
which was consciously chartered as a CCWG. the Board eventually screwed the 
DSSA up, but we got a lot done until they did. maybe we wire this one up a 
little more tightly, to avoid Board meddling this time around.
 
 mikey
 
 
 On Mar 1, 2014, at 4:51 AM, Jonathan Robinson 
<jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
 
 
 Perhaps me too.
 
 Persuasive input.
 
 Thanks Avri
 
 On 1 Mar 2014 10:15, "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx><mailto:avri@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
 
 
 
 On 01-Mar-14 10:33, Avri Doria wrote:
 
 Hi,
 
 I have been informed that sometimes my first reaction can be harsh. This
 is a failing I have spent many years trying to reform, since once I hear
 the other sides of an issue, my perception frequently softens a wee bit
 and even .
 
 Saw the incomplete sentence:
 
 and even causes me to change my mind on occasion.
 
 Unfortunately sometimes I type more quickly than I
 self-repress and I am grateful for the intervention of friends who warm
 me when my harshness threshold goes too high.
 
 This makes me think that perhaps you are right and this is a good pilot
 of the newly recommended modality. It would be helpful to see how this
 mechanism could work on issues in a community such as ours.
 
 I would be interested in possibly seconding a motion, if we can phrase
 it in the form of a request that the ICANN board initiate such an
 exercise. Perhaps they could even request that Beth, or some from her
 branded institute for which we have seen multiple notices, lead us in
 the activity to show us how it is done. Of course, the board would not
 be bound by the outcome, but if they initiated the process, they might
 at least consider it as seriously as they consider the panoply of other
 advisory panel recommendations.
 
 I think the exercise may be rather important in that it is only the most
 active of voices that we hear on the subject of our leadership. And
 whether we love Fadi or not as our leader, or even believe we need a
 leader of his caliber and vision, it is a topic where we need to hear
 the broader voice of the community before we know whether the community
 favors an extended mandate.
 
 Thanks you for suggesting this, and apologies for my initial pooh-poohing.
 
 avri
 
 
 On 21-Feb-14 17:21, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:
 Avri,
 Note my earlier email. It may be that no one will hear, but that does
 not mean we should not ask.
 Berard
 
 --------- Original Message ---------
 Subject: Re: [council] Crowdsourcing a bi-ennial performance review
 of the ICANN CEO
 From: "Avri Doria" <avri@xxxxxxx><mailto:avri@xxxxxxx>>
 Date: 2/21/14 3:31 am
 To: "Council" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
 
 
 Hi,
 
 Interesting idea, but what makes you think anyone on the Board would
 care what the crowd had to say. They barely care about what the duly
 constituted SOs, ACs or Review Teams have to say beyond what the
 by-laws
 force them to care about.
 
 Now, if we can get National government ministers to crowd source the
 review, maybe there is a chance they will pay attention.
 
 avri
 
 On 20-Feb-14 22:11, john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
wrote:
 > James,
 > Yes, we should include all, but the ball has to start rolling
 > somewhere. I figure we can do that.
 > Berard
 >
 > --------- Original Message ---------
 > Subject: Re: [council] Crowdsourcing a bi-ennial performance
 review
 > of the ICANN CEO
 > From: "James M. Bladel" <jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:jbladel@xxxxxxxxxxx>>
 > Date: 2/20/14 1:01 pm
 > To: "Mike O'Connor" <mike@xxxxxxxxxx><mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>>, "John Berard"
 > <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
 > Cc: "Council" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
 >
 > Also think this is worth of discussion, but should include other
 > SO/ACs in an effort to provide a “360” review.
 > J.
 > From: Mike O'Connor <mike@xxxxxxxxxx><mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx> 
 > ><mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx><mailto:mike@xxxxxxxxxx>>>
 > Date: Thursday, February 20, 2014 at 13:35
 > To: John Berard <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
 > Cc: GNSO Council List <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > <mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>>
 > Subject: Re: [council] Crowdsourcing a bi-ennial performance
 review
 > of the ICANN CEO
 > hi John,
 > i sense a certain irony in your reference to crowdsourcing, but i
 > went ahead and circulated your proposal amongst the ISPCP -
 initial
 > reactions are positive. i personally think it's a great idea.
 > mikey
 >
 > On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:28 AM, 
 > john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
 > <mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><mailto:john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
 >
 > All,
 > I think the next meeting of the ICANN, scheduled for London,
 > marks two years of Fadi Chehade's term as the organization's
 > President and CEO. In light of the interest driven by the
 > Strategy Panels in what is called crowd sourcing, I wonder if we
 > should consider instigating a performance review of the
 > executive using that method.
 > We can announce the initiative in Singapore and prepare a report
 > for the London meeting. The standing for the Council is the
 > growing executive influence over policy, looking no further than
 > the rise of appointed strategy panels in lieu of community-based
 > working groups.
 > What is your view?
 > Cheers,
 > Berard
 >
 >
 >
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