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Re: [council] Theresa Swinehart on the Creation of the President's Global Advisory Groups



I cannot say whether Hopper originated it, but I did personally hear her use the expression. Alan

At 01/03/2014 08:07 AM, Mike O'Connor wrote:

this goes in the ?no kidding?? department. i had no idea Grace Hopper was the originator. here?s the quote:

If it's a good idea, go ahead and do it. It is much easier to apologize than it is to get permission.
                - Admiral Grace Hopper

as a person who spends a fair amount of time in the five stages of Oops, i?m very interested in seeing the draft versions of the theory.


On Mar 1, 2014, at 3:01 AM, Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx> wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
> The reason I did not quote directly and used the paraphrased construction I did, is because I do not believe they yet gotten to the stage of asking forgiveness though in time they may.
>
> Just as there are five stage of grief, there may be five stages of Oops! (Theory to Be Developed)
>
> Might be better phrased as:
>
> "It is better to give an excuse later than ask permission"
>
> (-;
> An aside: the original quote is attributed to Grace Murray Hopper, a most distinguished woman in our field, and not from the Junior Space-Rangers. Unfortunately I do not have the specific reference at hand.
> )
>
> cheers from Geneva,
> land of juxtaposed words and ambiguous phrases, signifying nothing.
>
> avri
>
>
> On 26-Feb-14 13:50, Mike O'Connor wrote:
>> hi all,
>>
>> i believe the official phrase from the Junior Space-Rangers Management
>> Handbook is "it?s better to beg forgiveness than ask permission? and i
>> agree with Avri and Maria ? that?s an approach that only works once in a
>> while.  another phrase from that same Handbook reads ?the beatings will
>> continue until morale improves.?
>>
>> on a more serious note, i think one way to make sense out of what is
>> going on is to compare the tension between the community and the
>> administration with the tension that exists between the faculty and the
>> administration of an institution of higher education.  i still have
>> lumps in my head from when i learned these lessons the hard way.
>>
>> - faculty (community) should be careful not to run the institutional
>> infrastructure
>>
>> - administration should be careful not to deliver the core mission
>>
>> - talk in advance when it is not clear who should be taking the lead
>>
>> - everybody should know whether the Board is active or passive and react
>> appropriately
>>
>> we?re pretty seriously out of tolerances on all four of these right now,
>> in my view.  and we appear to be in a runaway positive feedback loop
>> that?s amplifying the problem rather than damping it down.
>>
>> mikey
>>
>>
>> On Feb 26, 2014, at 3:15 AM, Maria Farrell <maria.farrell@xxxxxxxxx
>> <mailto:maria.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the note, Marika.
>>>
>>> I share Avri's concern, not least because "acting first and explaining
>>> later" too often becomes "acting first and thinking later", as the
>>> perspectives of those kept outside the clique turn out to have been
>>> essential to include to form a balanced and comprehensive picture.
>>>
>>> And no amount of post hoc rationalising ever wins you back hearts and
>>> minds.
>>>
>>> Maria
>>>
>>>
>>> On 26 February 2014 09:06, Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx
>>> <mailto:avri@xxxxxxx>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>    Hi,
>>>
>>>    I can only say that I wish this had all been done before the
>>>    groups were formed as opposed to after, and that the support and
>>>    advice of the SO/AC had been obtained before they were created and
>>>    they began their work. This would have given them a degree of
>>>    legitimacy, I for one, do not believe they can acquire through
>>>    post-facto explanation.
>>>
>>>    I know there is theory in management of acting first and
>>>    explaining later, and in emergencies this is can be an appropriate
>>>    method. However as it becomes standard in ICANN management, it
>>>    becomes less and less acceptable as a method.
>>>
>>>
>>>    Thanks
>>>
>>>    avri
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>    On 26-Feb-14 09:56, Marika Konings wrote:
>>>
>>>        Dear All,
>>>
>>>        For your information, you can find a video with Theresa
>>>        Swinehart, Sr
>>>        Advisor to the President on Strategy, on the creation of the
>>>        President's
>>>        Global Advisory Groups which provides some further information
>>>        on the
>>>        background and objective of these groups at
>>> http://www.icann.org/en/news/__press/kits/video-__globalization-advisory-groups-__25feb14-en.htm >>> <http://www.icann.org/en/news/press/kits/video-globalization-advisory-groups-25feb14-en.htm>.
>>>
>>>
>>>        Best regards,
>>>
>>>        Marika
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
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