Re: [council] About Designing a 21st Century ICANN

[Gabriela Szlak <gabrielaszlak@xxxxxxxxx>]

Well ... in any case I am always in favour of improvement and innovation,
particularly for global engagement purposes. And after minimun research, I
have to admit this was just a beautiful expression that I am happy to
learn.
So in my case, I will give this a break and keep reading.
:)

>From wikipedia:
"In Greek mythology <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_mythology>, *Scylla*
 (/ 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>ˈ<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
s 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>ɪ<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
l 
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>ə<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English#Key>
/ <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_English>
*sil-ə*<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Pronunciation_respelling_key>
; Greek <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_language>: Σκύλλα, *Skylla*,
pronounced [skýl̚la]
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Help:IPA_for_Greek>)[1]<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scylla#cite_note-1>
 was a monster that lived on one side of a narrow channel of water,
opposite its counterpart Charybdis <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charybdis>.
The two sides of the strait were within an arrow's range of each other—so
close that sailors attempting to avoid Charybdis would pass too close to
Scylla and vice versa.

Traditionally the strait has been associated with the Strait of
Messina<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strait_of_Messina>
 between Italy <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italy> and
Sicily<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sicily>.
The idiom "between Scylla and
Charybdis<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Between_Scylla_and_Charybdis>"
has come to mean being between two dangers, choosing either of which brings
harm."


Cheers,

G.



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2014-02-03 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>:

> Though in fairness it was a Norwegian speaker who introduced these
> (presumably Greek?) words to the debate.
>
> In any case, at least you non-English natives have an excuse for not
> understanding them. ;-)
>
> Maria
>
>
> On 3 February 2014 17:46, Gabriela Szlak <gabrielaszlak@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>> ... And bear in mind that the purpose - in their own words is- :
>>
>>
>>    - *Proposing new models for broad, *inclusive engagement,*
>>    consensus-based policymaking and institutional structures to support such
>>    enhanced functions; and*
>>    - *Designing processes, tools and platforms that enable a global
>>    ICANN community to engage in these new forms of participatory
>>    decision-making*
>>
>> Google translator cannot even translate those two words... it feels
>> really strange to talk about global engagement and participatory processes
>> only in English and in a an English that it seems also complex for english
>> speakers to get...
>>
>> G.
>>
>>
>>
>> *Gabriela Szlak *
>>
>>
>> *Skype:* gabrielaszlak
>>
>> *Twitter: @*GabiSzlak
>>
>>
>> La información contenida en este e-mail es confidencial.
>> The information in this e-mail is confidential.
>>
>>
>>
>> 2014-02-03 Maria Farrell <maria.farrell@xxxxxxxxx>:
>>
>> Goodness, I also nearly snorted my coffee but held it down long enough to
>>> look up 'scylla' and 'charybdis'. I was chagrinned to learn these new (to
>>> me) words were first used in the ICANN context by the beloved Norwegian
>>> Harald Alvestrand back in 2002, a few reform movements back. Who knew?
>>>
>>> "The current ICANN has attempted to chart a course between the scylla of
>>> doing nothing and the charybdis of doing everything;"
>>> http://www.alvestrand.no/icann/icann_reform.html
>>>
>>>
>>> On 3 February 2014 17:23, <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Jonathan,
>>>>
>>>> My coffee came through my nose this morning when I read the blueprint
>>>> from the multistakeholder strategy panel.  But, while language like this:
>>>> "engaging people in meaningful and productive conversations about how to
>>>> redesign the way ICANN runs itself is difficult because the conversation
>>>> gets caught, on the one hand, between the scylla of broad generalities and
>>>> geopolitics without regard to the specifics of ICANN’s day-to-day work, and
>>>> the charybdis of mind-numbing technical detail on the other" is a bit
>>>> overblown, it also works as mis-direction. There is no argument but that
>>>> generalities, geopolitics and technical detail are a part of ICANN's life,
>>>> but I would argue with "broad" and "mind-numbing."  That kind of language
>>>> tips the player's hand.
>>>>
>>>> Further, by pegging effectiveness to the use of expert networks and
>>>> linking legitimacy to crowdsourcing at each stage of decision making may
>>>> only hint at the future shape of ICANN but it is clear in its view that the
>>>> current version is no longer appetizing.  I will likely think hard about
>>>> that as I pack for the trip to Singapore.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>>
>>>> Berard
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --------- Original Message ---------
>>>> Subject: [council] FW: Stage 2 Begins: Designing a 21st Century ICANN
>>>> From: "Jonathan Robinson" <jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>> Date: 2/3/14 1:12 am
>>>> To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> Stage 2 Begins: Designing a 21st Century ICANN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> *From:* The ICANN Strategy Panel on Multistakeholder Innovation & The
>>>> GovLab [mailto:icannmsipanel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>> *Sent:* 31 January 2014 19:01
>>>> *To:* jrobinson@xxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> *Subject:* Stage 2 Begins: Designing a 21st Century ICANN
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                Hello!
>>>>
>>>> By engaging the stakeholders of the Internet (this really includes
>>>> everyone!), the ICANN Strategy Panel on Multistakeholder Innovation (the
>>>> MSI 
>>>> Panel<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=9e2fe95b04&e=32eced4cfd>)
>>>> and The Governance Lab @ NYU (The 
>>>> GovLab<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=d1a6e896d6&e=32eced4cfd>)
>>>> are working to develop a set of concrete proposals for designing the
>>>> Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers (ICANN) – the public
>>>> interest organization responsible for coordinating the Internet’s Domain
>>>> Name System (DNS) – for the 21st Century.
>>>>
>>>> We’re writing to request your participation in this important
>>>> initiative and to help us spread the word!
>>>>
>>>> Today launches *Stage 2 **– Proposal Development – *of our online
>>>> engagement effort aimed at getting *your* input into the Panel’s work
>>>> in order to bring our ideas for evolving ICANN from principle to practice.
>>>> The Panel has been specifically charged by ICANN’s President and CEO with:
>>>>
>>>> ·  Proposing new models for international engagement, consensus-driven
>>>> policymaking and institutional structures to support such enhanced
>>>> functions; and
>>>>
>>>> ·  Designing processes, tools and platforms that enable the global
>>>> ICANN community to engage in these new forms of participatory
>>>> decision-making.
>>>>
>>>> To answer this charter, we launched a three-stage brainstorm initiative
>>>> on November 19, 2013. We started with *Stage 1: Idea Generation. *The
>>>> Panel and GovLab launched an *engagement platform
>>>> <http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=49575264ee&e=32eced4cfd>*asking
>>>>  the global public to share their ideas for what techniques,
>>>> strategies, tools and platforms ICANN could look to and learn from to help
>>>> transform itself into an *effective, legitimate and evolving* 21st
>>>> century global organization.
>>>>
>>>> We now want to take these ideas closer to implementation during Stage
>>>> 2. To do so, we’ve shared the *draft proposal blueprint 
>>>> *<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=b31cd77527&e=32eced4cfd>on
>>>> the *GovLab Blog *organizing all of our ideas into 16 concrete
>>>> proposals for ICANN, which we are *opening up to you for discussion. *We
>>>> want your feedback, input, comments, questions, and suggestions on what
>>>> we’ve collected. We’ve also published our first set of proposals, which
>>>> include recommendations for ICANN to:
>>>>
>>>>    - Leverage expert 
>>>> networking<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=c8d26b0537&e=32eced4cfd>
>>>>    ;
>>>>    - Use crowdsourcing during all phases of 
>>>> decisionmaking<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=78cb16e898&e=32eced4cfd>;
>>>>    and
>>>>    - Crowdsource oversight and develop standards to measure 
>>>> success<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=75796fa362&e=32eced4cfd>
>>>>    .
>>>>
>>>>  *Feel free to provide feedback or reactions using comments or the
>>>> line-by-line annotation tools enabled on the blog.*
>>>>
>>>> You can also see all of these materials aggregated on the GovLab's
>>>> ICANN project page, online 
>>>> *HERE*<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=e606d3f2d6&e=32eced4cfd>
>>>> *.*
>>>>
>>>> *Help us spread the word!*
>>>>
>>>> Do you know any people or organizations who would be interested in
>>>> these proposal topics? *We’d love to get their feedback, too.*Consider 
>>>> doing any of the following:
>>>>
>>>> ·  Forward this “Call To Action” to colleagues and organizations you
>>>> know working in these areas who may have ideas or feedback to share on the
>>>> blog.
>>>>
>>>> ·  Share our proposal draft links (all accessible 
>>>> *here*<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=166e90c780&e=32eced4cfd>
>>>> *)*, as widely as possible within your networks (e.g., via mailing
>>>> lists and listservs). Feel free to link to these posts or repost on your
>>>> website edited to fit your needs!
>>>>
>>>> ·  Use social media platforms such as Facebook, Twitter or Google+ to
>>>> spread the word about this initiative (use the *#WeCANN *hashtag!).
>>>>
>>>> ·  To inspire participation and learn how to contribute, watch and
>>>> share a *video
>>>> <http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=adb2ce10df&e=32eced4cfd>*The
>>>>  GovLab made when we launched this brainstorm.
>>>>
>>>> ·  Discuss the MSI Panel’s work and proposals in your own communities
>>>> and share your comments and feedback with the us in the blog comments or at
>>>> icannmsipanel@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=c78e16b652&e=32eced4cfd>
>>>> .
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Toward the end of February – we will move into the last stage of this
>>>> brainstorm – *Stage 3: Collaborative Drafting*. Using a *wiki
>>>> <http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=e89c0b7d3f&e=32eced4cfd>*,
>>>> we will invite collaborative drafting on a first full draft of all
>>>> proposals that the Panel will then submit to the ICANN CEO, Board and
>>>> community. So stay tuned!
>>>>
>>>> For more information, visit The GovLab at 
>>>> www.thegovlab.org<http://openinggovernment.us6.list-manage1.com/track/click?u=1a990feb5c&id=6c7b575816&e=32eced4cfd>.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks and best,
>>>>
>>>> *The MSI Panel & The GovLab*
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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