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RE: [council] MOTION TO RECOMMEND PROTECTIONS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF NEW GTLDS FOR CERTAIN RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT (RCRC) AND INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE (IOC) NAMES
I have two thoughts on this:
1. It is great to have some substantive discussion on the issues on
list. The Council calls are short, we have a full agenda and so anything
that prepares the way for the Call / Meeting is very helpful.
2. As a Council, we need to be fully informed and understand the work
and conclusions of the Drafting Team. The discussion helps very much in
this respect.
We should then be in a position to:
a. Be sure that the drafting team work has done their work as
thoroughly and properly as we could reasonably expect and
b. Vote on motions or agree on next steps from this well informed
perspective.
I suppose the one thing we have to be a little careful of is, in
understanding and reviewing the work of the DT, that we do not attempt to
redo their work in the Council since my understanding of our job is that we
are here to ensure that the appropriate policy work is done and is done
properly, but not to do it as such.
Jonathan
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Jen Wolfe
Sent: 09 November 2012 17:16
To: Neuman, Jeff; Volker Greimann
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [council] MOTION TO RECOMMEND PROTECTIONS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF
NEW GTLDS FOR CERTAIN RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT (RCRC) AND INTERNATIONAL
OLYMPIC COMMITTEE (IOC) NAMES
Thank you all and I apologize if I jumped the gun on asking clarifying
questions via email or if I was out of turn at all. I?ll look forward to
the discussion next week! Have a great weekend!
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From: Neuman, Jeff [mailto:Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 12:04 PM
To: Jen Wolfe; Volker Greimann
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Subject: RE: [council] MOTION TO RECOMMEND PROTECTIONS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF
NEW GTLDS FOR CERTAIN RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT (RCRC) AND INTERNATIONAL
OLYMPIC COMMITTEE (IOC) NAMES
All of this is good stuff for the ultimate discussion next week. In short,
there are strong arguments in favor of protections as well as strong
arguments for lesser or no protections for the organizations. In the end,
the Drafting Team was tasked with evaluating the GAC proposal submitted to
the Council in September 2011 and after much deliberation, including a
public comment period, the conclusion that was reached by the Drafting Team
was that pending the outcome of the PDP, a moratorium on the registration of
the exact matches of those strings should be in place. The Council is free
to accept this recommendation or not.
Volker ? to address your point, I fully expect that if the outcome of the
PDP were to allow the registration of these names, a process would be held
to do that. Much like the 1 and 2 character names that were previously
reserved then subsequently allowed went through. Whether that is a second
sunrise, RFP process, first-come, first-served, etc. is the discussion that
will happen IF the outcome of the PDP is that the name should be released. I
understand your concerns, and the Drafting Team did discuss all of those
concerns. But this is the conclusion that they came to.
We will discuss more next week.
Jeffrey J. Neuman
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From: Jen Wolfe [mailto:jwolfe@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:55 AM
To: Volker Greimann
Cc: Neuman, Jeff; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [council] MOTION TO RECOMMEND PROTECTIONS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF
NEW GTLDS FOR CERTAIN RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT (RCRC) AND INTERNATIONAL
OLYMPIC COMMITTEE (IOC) NAMES
HI Volker,
Thank you so much for responding and I appreciate everyone?s patience as I
onboard to the council. I certainly understand the rights of trademark
owners, but to me this seems to be a more specific issue. There are
thousands of rightful trademark owners who will be competing during sunrise
with other rightful owners of the same name. And they will all face the
very issue you described.
So, is the purpose of this motion/PDP to determine as the GNSO Council that
we deem the Red Cross and IOC to be so important to the public good that
they should not be competing with the numerous other rights holders during
sunrise and that we should pre-reserve specific names for their use? Is the
ultimate question to the council, do the rights of the Red Cross and IOC
supersede all other rights because of the global nature of these
organizations and importance to all internet users? Is there any dispute or
question about the global importance of these organizations to all internet
users?
I appreciate your clarification and appreciate you getting me up to speed on
prior dialogue on this issue. Thanks ?have a great weekend!
Jen
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From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 11:35 AM
To: Jen Wolfe
Cc: Neuman, Jeff; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [council] MOTION TO RECOMMEND PROTECTIONS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF
NEW GTLDS FOR CERTAIN RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT (RCRC) AND INTERNATIONAL
OLYMPIC COMMITTEE (IOC) NAMES
Hi Jen,
the legal protections of the terms in question for the IOC and the RCRC are
not all-encompassing, i.e. do not affect existing rights or use in totally
unrelated areas. Many trademarks for the term Olympic exist that the IOC can
do nothing about. Such other legitimate enterprises may normally be entitled
to register, own and use the domain name olympic.nyc, as an example. The
special legal protection affords it protection against illegitimate use or
as you say the attempt to leverage the goodwill associated with the IOCs
brands, but there is no right of the IOC that prevents legitimate uses of
the term.
The negative effect results from the fact that the proposed policy would
effectively exclude legitimate applicants from the registration of the
desired name in the sunrise of a TLD.
Do not forget that these terms may also carry meaning beyond the protected
use. Olympic for example can reference a specific regional origin, the
mountain of the greek gods, etc.
I am not suggesting there should not be any protection, but the protection
that is there should be reasonable and measured to prevent abuse but allow
legitimate use.
Best regards,
Volker
Hi Jeff & Volker,
I apologize if I am asking an overly simplistic question as one of the new
GNSO Council members, but isn?t the purpose of this motion and PDP to ensure
that internet users are not misdirected when looking for the one true Red
Cross or IOC? If I am reading the motion correctly, the intention is to
reserve only exact matches. How is Olympic paints impacted negatively by
this reservation? They chose their brand knowing there is a one true IOC
and, most likely, intended to leverage the goodwill associated with the
Olympic name. It would seem it is in the interest of the greater internet
community to protect the IOC and Red Cross versus brand owners in terms of
reservations of rights. But again, I?m new to the council, so I apologize
if I am missing any history here that has already addressed this issue.
With kindest regards,
Jennifer
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Behalf Of Volker Greimann
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 8:52 AM
To: Neuman, Jeff
Cc: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [council] MOTION TO RECOMMEND PROTECTIONS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF
NEW GTLDS FOR CERTAIN RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT (RCRC) AND INTERNATIONAL
OLYMPIC COMMITTEE (IOC) NAMES
Hi Jeff,
even if the reservation is temporary this will result in that the potential
applicants are effectively disenfranchised from the opportunity to
participate in the Sunrise periods of any given TLD. I don't think that
registry operators and registrars will be willing to entertain a second
sunrise in each and every new TLD just for these strings, which would mean
that rights holders would have to compete with other third parties once the
reservation were lifted.
While the IOC and RCRC have internationally established protections in
place, these protections are not all-encompassing and allow for other
legitimate uses of these terms. Consequently, any protections for these
strings we implement in addition to the existing protections should also
take into consideration other legitimate rights.
I am not opposed to additional protections in general, however these should
be fair and balanced. I agree that the worst case scenario you detail is a
distinct problem, but there should be possible solutions for that issue,
such as a specific warning for registering parties at the time of
application for sunrise validation, or the right to participate in the
sunrise despite the reservation (i.e. the sunrise application would not
automatically fail as with standard reservations, but either remain pending
until the PDP is done, or be processed as usual but lead to a right to
register upon availability instead of instant registration).
I agree that we should avoid being cornered by our current decision if the
PDP comes out differently, I am just looking for more flexibility to allow
for alternative solutions that would achieve the same goal.
Best,
Volker Greimann
Volker,
Please note that the recommendations are for temporary reservations pending
the outcome of the PDP. You may be correct in your ultimate conclusion and
that may be the way the PDP comes out. But out of practicality, if the PDP
comes out the other way (that the names should be protected), then the only
way to realistically implement that would be if the names were reserved in
the first place. It would be impossible to take back the names once they
are registered by third parties. Therefore, the Drafting Team believes that
the names should be reserved initially until the PDP is completed. Worst
case scenario if we adopt this measure is that the PDP comes out that the
names should not be protected and then we allow for the release of the names
at that time. If we took your approach and the names should have been
protected (assuming the PDP comes out that way), we are stuck.
I hope this helps explain the Drafting Team position without in any way
downplaying your opposition to the ultimate reservation.
Thanks.
Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Business Affairs
From: Volker Greimann [mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, November 09, 2012 7:49 AM
To: Neuman, Jeff; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [council] MOTION TO RECOMMEND PROTECTIONS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF
NEW GTLDS FOR CERTAIN RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT (RCRC) AND INTERNATIONAL
OLYMPIC COMMITTEE (IOC) NAMES
Dear Jeff, dear fellow councillors,
not trying to ruffle any feathers here, especially at this late stage, but I
have strong objections to the concept of implementing blanket mandatory
restrictions to the legitimate rights of potential domain owners to apply
for certain strings on the second level based solely on the lobbying power
of the IOC and the Red Cross/Red Crescent. The proposed reserving of the
listed terms effectively removes the ability of other potential rights
holders in these strings to apply for their trademarks or other name rights
in the sunrise phase of any newly launched gTLD, especially since the TMCH
warning process would provide the protected entities and the applicant with
ample warning of the potential conflict during the launch. Only once the
minimum duration of the TMCH protection in newly launched TLDs expires does
further protection become necessary.
A quick search shows numerous such potential applicants for the string
"Olympic" alone: restaurants, an airline, a paint company, a travel agency,
hotels, a college, a dairy company and many more, none of which infringe
upon the legally protected rights of the above organizations by use of the
string "olympic". The blanket restriction therefore seems as an overreach,
especially since effective protection mechanisms are already implemented
during the launch.
A more differentiated approach therefore seems appropriate, such as a
requirement for new gTLD registries to add the affected strings to the
reserved list only after the TMCH is no longer effective for the TLD, or
allowing Sunrise applications despite the restriction.
While I understand and agree with the need to implement some form of
protections for the above organizations, such protections should not
infringe on third party rights to apply for the registration of domain names
that match their legal rights in an undue manner.
Best,
Volker Greimann
All,
On behalf of the IOC/RCRC Drafting Team, I am pleased to present the
following motion which was supported by the Drafting Team. For the record,
I will note that the recommendations were not supported by the
Non-Commercial Stakeholder Group and Thomas Rickert, but were supported by
the Registries Stakeholder Group, the, Intellectual Property Constituency,
Business Constituency and ISP Constituency, the representative from the
ALAC, and those representatives from the International Olympic Committee and
the Red Cross/Red Crescent. The Registrars Stakeholder group did not
participate on the Drafting Team.
Thanks.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
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MOTION TO RECOMMEND PROTECTIONS IN THE FIRST ROUND OF NEW GTLDS FOR CERTAIN
RED CROSS/RED CRESCENT (RCRC) AND INTERNATIONAL OLYMPIC COMMITTEE (IOC)
NAMES
Made by: Jeff Neuman
Seconded by:
WHEREAS:
The Board Resolution 2011.06.20.01, authorized ?the President and CEO to
implement the new gTLD program which includes . . . incorporation of text
concerning protection for specific requested Red Cross and IOC names for the
top level only during the initial application round, until the GNSO and GAC
develop policy advice based on the global public interest, . . ."
(http://www.icann.org/en/groups/board/documents/resolutions-20jun11-en.htm)
The IOC/RC Drafting Team established [Date] by the GNSO Council has
considered a number of different options with respect to protections of both
the IOC and the RCRC terms in response to the GAC proposal to provide
permanent protection for such terms including at the second level in new
gTLDS;
The solution proposed by the IOC/RC Drafting Team, to initiate a PDP and to
provide temporary reservation of the exact match IOC/RC names, was posted
for public comment on 28 September 2012 and closed on 9 November 2012;
The GNSO has now [Date] initiated a policy development process (PDP) to
evaluate possible protections for certain international organization names
in all gTLDs, including, specifically, whether to recommend policies to
protect IOC/RCRC names; and
Therefore, the IOC/RC Drafting Team recommends that the GNSO Council
recommend to the Board that it adopt the second recommendation of the IOC/RC
Drafting Team, providing for temporary reservation of the exact match IOC/RC
names, prior to the delegation of the first round of new gTLDs.
NOW THEREFORE, BE IT RESOLVED:
That the GNSO Council adopts the IOC/RC Drafting Team?s recommendation to
temporarily reserve the exact match of IOC and RCRC second level domain
names listed in Section 2.2.1.2.3 of the Applicant Guidebook and per the GAC
recommendation of 14 September 2011pending the outcome of the recently
launched policy development process involving International Governmental and
Non-governmental Organizations.
That the GNSO Council thanks the members of the IOC/RC Drafting Team for
their efforts in producing these recommendations, and hereby disbands the
IOC/RC Drafting Team; and
That the Chair of the GNSO Council is authorized to forward these
recommendations to the ICANN Board.
Jeffrey J. Neuman
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