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Re: [council] Action items from Prague / GNSO Review
Hi Stéphane,
thanks for your feedback.
Just two points:
Re Fridays: I guess it is not getting Fridays back for the sake of getting
Fridays back, but to provide some space for people to think out of the box.
I would agree that the format would be too constraining for the GNSO Council.
However, this was designed for the community as such, not the GNSO Council
(which is why I said that it could be considered off-topic). For the whole
community, I guess that some structure is needed and the reports are meant to
fill in the rest of the community that was not present in the breakout session.
However, your point is well taken that the participants of the breakout
sessions might chose just to talk confidentially and have nothing documented.
Best,
Thomas
Am 10.07.2012 um 22:33 schrieb Stéphane Van Gelder:
> Thanks Thomas.
>
> Thanks for starting this discussion. I think it's a great one to have, and I
> will respond in my personal capacity only.
>
> I am surprised that people are so keen to reinstate Fridays. It amazes me how
> uncomfortable with change people seem to be. IMO, the simple truth is that
> ICANN meetings could go on for 3 weeks and we'd still not have enough time to
> cover everything we'd like to. So a line has to be drawn somewhere. I
> continue to applaud Steve's decision to cut Fridays and to draw that line, so
> I would not be in favour of bringing a full day of meetings back to Fridays.
>
> On the format you suggest for discussions, I find it well thought out but
> constraining. I would much rather have free discussion than a format that is
> so pre-ordered, right down to the requirement to provide a written report at
> the end. I think what we in the GNSO have found is that the great nature of
> our wrap-up discussions is that they are free. No agenda, no minutes, no
> report.
>
> Hope that helps get the discussion going.
>
> Stéphane Van Gelder
> Directeur Général / General manager
> INDOM Group NBT France
> ----------------
> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
> Group NBT
>
> Le 9 juil. 2012 à 18:11, Thomas Rickert a écrit :
>
>> Stéphane, all,
>> first of all, thanks for the letter to Fadi!
>>
>> As regards time to discuss, I would like to share some thoughts with you.
>> In Prague, Mary, Bill, Chuck and Bertrand hat a good informal conversation
>> about this very subject and were brainstorming if and what could potentially
>> be done on Fridays. I guess that is what Bill alluded to when talking about
>> "ICANN generally, not just GNSO".
>>
>> Bertrand asked me to write down my ideas on this, which I did and which you
>> find below. Please bear with me if you regard this as off topic as it does
>> not deal with the GNSO Council meeting agenda, but I thought it might be of
>> interest.
>>
>>
>> ***
>> Preface:
>> It is felt by part of the community that the ICANN agenda is usually packed
>> and does not allow for in-depth discussions particularly when it comes to
>> "visionary" or strategic topics. Also, there may be the need to provide a
>> forum for discussions that may or may not be on the agenda during ICANN
>> meetings or where another format than the public forum is needed.
>>
>> With this proposal, I would like to outline a potential format to meet the
>> above needs and encourage broader and more active participation.
>>
>> Offering the possibility to discuss face to face and in depth
>>
>> - in small groups
>> - on particular questions and
>> - topics that are more of a strategic or niche character
>>
>> may be useful to reach out to those members of the community that would
>> usually not speak up or that do not have the resources to regularly engage
>> in groups or projects.
>>
>> How to pick topics and introduce the format?
>>
>> It may be worthwhile having a session on Monday to explain the format and
>> invite the community to propose subjects to be discussed on Friday. The
>> proposing person should write a brief summary of the topic he or she wishes
>> to discuss including a bit of background information, if deemed useful.
>> There should be a character limit, e.g. to 500 characters.
>>
>> For the first attempt, I would suggest to keep the subjects completely open
>> except for the fact that there needs to be relevance to ICANN's role or the
>> broader subject of Internet Governance. For future events, a broad topic
>> could be proposed to give the whole session one theme.
>>
>> The deadline for collecting topics should be COB on Tuesday. This would
>> allow for the individual groups to discuss potential topics on Tuesdays.
>> Attendees should then have the opportunity to review the proposed subjects
>> on Wednesday and Thursday and prepare for the discussion.
>>
>> The proposed subjects should be published on ICANN's website.
>>
>> What could a "new Friday" look like?
>>
>> The format would roughly look like as follows:
>>
>> 1. Plenary
>>
>> The day should start with a plenary session in which the format of the day
>> is explained.
>>
>> Those who have proposed subjects will get 2 mins each to introduce the
>> subject.
>> Afterwards, a show of hands of the participants will be carried out to
>> determine how many attendees are interested in the individual subjects.
>> To start with, I would plan for 5 subjects and have 5 rooms prepared with a
>> whiteboard for breakout sessions.
>> Rooms will then be allocated and announced for the breakout sessions.
>> It is not unlikely that there will be more than 5 topics. However, it is
>> also not unlikely that some niche topics only find the interest of a few
>> people. These groups might be able to continue their discussion at the venue
>> even though there is not a reserved meeting room.
>>
>> 2. Breakout Sessions
>>
>> The breakout sessions should be chaired by staff or other persons that have
>> skills in moderating discussions. They need not be experts in the subject
>> matter - in fact it may be an advantage if they are not knowledgable in the
>> area concerned. The chair would not only moderate the discussion, but also
>> keep some notes and act as rapporteur.
>>
>> The chair/ rapporteur should
>> - make sure to ask the participants whether there are any confidentiality
>> requirements;
>> - summarize the views exchanged on the subject matter;
>> - reach agreement in the group on a statement on what the outcome / next
>> steps should be.
>>
>> As regards the last point, the outcome of the session is completely open. It
>> may well be that a group gathers and concludes that there should not be any
>> further steps. Other results may be requests to a respective body inside
>> ICANN to further consider the topic and potentially provide for a more
>> formal forum to work on the subject.
>>
>> 3. Reconvening of the Plenary
>>
>> In the plenary, the chairs / rapporteurs briefly report in 5-10 minutes each
>> about the outcome of the breakout sessions. There should be a brief q&a
>> after each report to allow other community members to provide their input.
>>
>> After the session, the chairs / rapporteurs will provide ICANN with a short
>> written report that will be published on ICANN's website. The duty of the
>> chair / rapporteur ends here.
>>
>> The discussions should be punctual and the result of the sessions should NOT
>> be that new groups are institutionalized there or other deliverables beyond
>> the reports are produced.
>>
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Best,
>> Thomas
>>
>>
>> Am 06.07.2012 um 21:18 schrieb Stéphane Van Gelder:
>>
>>> This already features as a discussion item for the next meeting. If
>>> Councillors wish to pursue this discussion on the list before then, please
>>> do so.
>>>
>>> Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Directeur Général / General manager
>>> INDOM Group NBT France
>>> ----------------
>>> Registry Relations and Strategy Director
>>> Group NBT
>>>
>>> Le 6 juil. 2012 à 19:18, Neuman, Jeff a écrit :
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I strongly believe it is way to early for a review. Let's reserve this
>>>> subject for a discussion on the next Council call before setting up the
>>>> group.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent with Good (www.good.com)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx]
>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 12:41 PM Eastern Standard Time
>>>> To: Winterfeldt, Brian
>>>> Cc: Wendy Seltzer; GNSO Council List
>>>> Subject: Re: [council] Action items from Prague / GNSO Review
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Is there support from others for the creation of a group?
>>>>
>>>> I would think that the group would need to be formalised as a DT, with a
>>>> charter. Although you may wish to bring the review forward Wendy, others
>>>> clearly feel we should be doing exactly the opposite. With such strong
>>>> divergence of views, we must ensure that the mechanism we use to discuss
>>>> this issue is unambiguous and accountable.
>>>>
>>>> Stéphane
>>>>
>>>> Envoyé de mon iPhone4
>>>>
>>>> Le 6 juil. 2012 à 16:26, "Winterfeldt, Brian" <bwinterfeldt@xxxxxxxxxxx> a
>>>> écrit :
>>>>
>>>>> I am happy to join Wendy as apart of the small group as well.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best,
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian J. Winterfeldt
>>>>> Partner
>>>>> bwinterfeldt@xxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Steptoe
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>>>>> On Behalf Of Wendy Seltzer
>>>>> Sent: Friday, July 06, 2012 6:34 AM
>>>>> To: Stéphane Van Gelder
>>>>> Cc: GNSO Council List
>>>>> Subject: Re: [council] Action items from Prague / GNSO Review
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 07/01/2012 07:00 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> GNSO Review
>>>>>> We have discussed two possible alternatives: drafting a request to the
>>>>>> SIC to delay the review and creating a small group to look at this
>>>>>> issue. What do we want to do?
>>>>>
>>>>> I volunteer to be part of a small group discussing the review. I favor
>>>>> *advancing* rather than delaying the review, as well as helping the SIC
>>>>> to frame it to address the challenges and barriers to consensus-building
>>>>> that stem from our current siloed structure.
>>>>>
>>>>> --Wendy
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Wendy Seltzer -- wendy@xxxxxxxxxxx +1 617.863.0613 Fellow, Yale Law
>>>>> School Information Society Project Fellow, Berkman Center for Internet &
>>>>> Society at Harvard University http://wendy.seltzer.org/
>>>>> https://www.chillingeffects.org/ https://www.torproject.org/
>>>>> http://www.freedom-to-tinker.com/
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
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