Re: [council] Fwd: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Le 13 juin 2011 à 13:51, William Drake a écrit :

> Hi Stéphane
> 
> Two small friendly quibbles.
> 
> On Jun 13, 2011, at 6:07 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
> 
>> I would argue that the GAC only appear more important than everyone else if 
>> everyone else lets them.
> 
> And I would argue that irrespective of how the GAC's influence to date 
> appears from the perspective of our sandbox, a) the governments they 
> represent have a lot of cards to play if they think push has come to shove, 
> and b) there's one government that's already proven not to be shy about 
> getting into the game.
>> 
>> And to be honest, in my conversations with GAC members, I have never gotten 
>> the feeling from them that they are setting themselves up to be more 
>> important than the rest of us. They just feel that they have a 
>> responsibility that we don't: the public interest.
> 
> We don't?  Under the AoC "ICANN" has that responsibility, not the GAC alone.  
> Are we not ICANN?

(SVG) In govts' eyes, they are ultimately responsible for it.

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Bill
> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Le 13 juin 2011 à 02:40, <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> a écrit :
>> 
>>> On paper, I think Adrian has it right when he says, of the GAC, "They are 
>>> no more important than any other" stake holder group, but the practice as 
>>> revealed in the new gTLD negotiations seem to suggest otherwise. 
>>> 
>>> Is the GAC's inability to find a friendly time to meet with the Council 
>>> (more) evidence of ICANN developing a decision-making process alternative 
>>> to the official one?
>>> 
>>> Or it could be that governments, on their own, are taking on a "first among 
>>> equals" point-of-view.
>>> 
>>> All this makes a joint session desirable, but not worth meeting at midnight 
>>> at a local McDonalds.
>>> 
>>> Berard  
>>> -------- Original Message --------
>>> Subject: RE: [council] Fwd: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore
>>> From: Adrian Kinderis <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date: Sun, June 12, 2011 5:00 pm
>>> To: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>;, William
>>> Drake <william.drake@xxxxxx>
>>> Cc: GNSO Council <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> 
>>> I find it ironic that the GAC have complained about not having their voice 
>>> heard and now, when everyone is bending over backwards to accommodate them 
>>> they choose not to see the GNSO Council – perhaps we are not important 
>>> enough.
>>>  
>>> I say let them be and let them know that we hope to be able to accommodate 
>>> them in Senegal but we will have to confirm our schedule.
>>>  
>>> Let’s remember they are but one body that feeds into this multi-stakeholder 
>>> community. They are no more important than any other...
>>>  
>>> Adrian Kinderis
>>> 
>>>  
>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Sent: Sunday, 12 June 2011 10:06 PM
>>> To: William Drake
>>> Cc: GNSO Council
>>> Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore
>>>  
>>> Yup, that's the general gist of what I said to Heather as well, including 
>>> the fact that Thursday sounded so difficult to me for the Council to 
>>> accommodate that I didn't think it would work.
>>>  
>>> Happy to insist on some face time with the GAC if the Council feels it 
>>> wants to push the issue. But in the end, if they feel overstreched and 
>>> would like to give the GNSO a miss this time around, it may be difficult to 
>>> force them to see us.
>>>  
>>> Stéphane
>>>  
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>>> Le 12 juin 2011 à 12:47, William Drake a écrit :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi from Singapore
>>>  
>>> Hot and humid here, you've been warned…
>>>  
>>> I have to admit I'm puzzled that GAC has time to meet with the Board, ALAC, 
>>> ccNSO, registrars, SSAC, & review teams but none to meet with the Council.  
>>> Meanwhile dangling in the wind are some of the ideas floated in SF (sorry, 
>>> SV) such as having a joint team to explore options for including them 
>>> earlier/better in GNSO work, establishing liaisons with SGs, etc.  I'd have 
>>> thought these and other ideas merited follow up.  So if the most we can get 
>>> is an informal discussion, I'd be in favor of it.  But Thursday looks 
>>> lousy, with public participation,  IGF & JAS (at the same time, a huge pity 
>>> for some of us), Council round up and the forum; the only open slots I see 
>>> would be breakfast meeting (horrid) or the lunch break (for those who can 
>>> skip Getting Ready).
>>>  
>>> Thoughts?
>>>  
>>> BIll
>>>  
>>> On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Councillors,
>>>  
>>> As I mentioned before, the GAC has requested that we not hold our usual 
>>> meeting with them in Singapore. I have continued to discuss this with 
>>> Heather, and she has sent me the following suggestion:
>>>  
>>> Hi Stéphane,
>>> 
>>> I do understand.  The GAC is also reluctant but we have been very stretched 
>>> for some time and haven't been able to meet with other communities.  There 
>>> also now 2 Review Teams in addition to dealing with the previous RT 
>>> recommendations.  It goes on and on.
>>> 
>>> Let 's try to arrange an informal discussion - perhaps on the Thursday?  
>>> I'm not sure what all is scheduled for Thur. though I know  a few of us 
>>> have a lunch meeting and there is also the session on developing countries.
>>> 
>>> Heather  
>>>  
>>> I don't think an informal meeting is really what we want. Plus, I think at 
>>> this late stage it would be hard to organise. What does the Council think?
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>>  
>>> Stéphane
>>>  
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>>>  
>>> Début du message réexpédié :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> De : <Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx>
>>> Date : 10 juin 2011 23:24:20 HAEC
>>> À : <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Objet : RE: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore
>>>  
>>> Hi Stéphane,
>>> 
>>> I do understand.  The GAC is also reluctant but we have been very stretched 
>>> for some time and haven't been able to meet with other communities.  There 
>>> also now 2 Review Teams in addition to dealing with the previous RT 
>>> recommendations.  It goes on and on.
>>> 
>>> Let 's try to arrange an informal discussion - perhaps on the Thursday?  
>>> I'm not sure what all is scheduled for Thur. though I know  a few of us 
>>> have a lunch meeting and there is also the session on developing countries.
>>> 
>>> Heather   
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx] 
>>> Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 12:03 PM
>>> To: Dryden, Heather: SPS
>>> Subject: Re: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore
>>> 
>>> Hi Heather,
>>> 
>>> Thanks for your email.
>>> 
>>> I would rather not postpone our Singapore meeting with the GAC obviously, 
>>> because I know the GNSO considers those meetings as very valuable.
>>> 
>>> However I also understand that the GAC's Singapore schedule is probably so 
>>> hectic you need to find time somewhere.
>>> 
>>> Would it be helpful to have an informal discussion between the GAC and GNSO 
>>> Chairs and VCs in Singapore?
>>> 
>>> Stéphane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Le 6 juin 2011 à 23:25, <Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx> <Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx> 
>>> a écrit :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Dear Stéphane,
>>>  
>>> I believe that we currently have 11 - 12.30 on the Wednesday scheduled for 
>>> a GNSO/GAC meeting in Singapore.  I would like to propose that we postpone 
>>> the meeting until Senegal and perhaps schedule a longer meeting of 2 or 3 
>>> hours to permit a more in-depth discussion of how the GAC and the GNSO 
>>> respectively conduct their work.  This would allow the GAC to better 
>>> prepare for a discussion of working methods (for example, how the GAC 
>>> arrives at consensus views, what we consider to be consensus etc.).  This 
>>> would also provide the GNSO with the opportunity to describe/explain how 
>>> you do what you do, the implications of the new structure and  how the GNSO 
>>> approaches policy development.
>>>  
>>> In Singapore, the GAC will be looking at ways to organize its work, 
>>> including how it works with other parts of the community and prepares for 
>>> meetings.  I will seek GAC representatives to come forward and lead on the 
>>> GNSO for the GAC.  Either way, I would be happy to meet with you in 
>>> Singapore (and hopefully the GAC vice-chairs could join if GAC volunteers 
>>> have not yet been identified) to share some thoughts.  
>>>  
>>> I would like to move to greater preparation for all the GAC face-to-face 
>>> meetings (including times when the GAC is meeting by itself), with the 
>>> support of the new GAC secretariat, so that discussions can be more focused 
>>> when we do meet in person.          
>>>  
>>> Do let me know what your thoughts are...
>>>  
>>> Many thanks and see you soon,
>>> Heather
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