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RE: [council] Fwd: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore
- To: "Adrian Kinderis" <adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: RE: [council] Fwd: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore
- From: <john@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 12 Jun 2011 17:40:36 -0700
- Cc: "GNSO Council" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, "Stéphane_Van_Gelder" <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>, "William Drake" <william.drake@xxxxxx>
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<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000000;
font-size:10pt;"><div>On paper, I think Adrian has it right when he says, of
the GAC, "<span mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family:
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73, 125);">They are no more important than any other" <span mce_style="color:
#000000;" style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);">stake holder group, but the practice as
revealed in the new gTLD negotiations seem to suggest
otherwise.</span></span><span mce_style="color: #000000;" style="color: rgb(0,
0, 0);"> </span></div><div><span mce_style="color: #000000;"
style="color: rgb(0, 0, 0);"><br></span></div><div>Is the GAC's inability to
find a friendly time to meet with the Council (more) evidence of ICANN
developing a decision-making process alternative to the official
one?</div><div><br></div><div>Or it could be that governments, on their own,
are taking on a "first among equals"
point-of-view.</div><div><br></div><div>All this makes a joint session
desirable, but not worth meeting at midnight at a local
McDonalds.</div><div><br></div><div>Berard <br></div>
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Subject: RE: [council] Fwd: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore<br>
From: Adrian Kinderis <<a
href="mailto:adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>adrian@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
Date: Sun, June 12, 2011 5:00 pm<br>
To: Stéphane_Van_Gelder <<a
href="http://stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>";>stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx></a>;,
William<br>
Drake <<a href="mailto:william.drake@xxxxxx";>william.drake@xxxxxx</a>><br>
Cc: GNSO Council <<a
href="mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>><br>
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style="font-size:12pt;"><span mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family:
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
find it ironic that the GAC have complained about not having their voice heard
and now, when everyone is bending over backwards to accommodate them they
choose not to see the GNSO Council – perhaps we are not important
enough.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family:
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div
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font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I
say let them be and let them know that we hope to be able to accommodate them
in Senegal but we will have to confirm our
schedule.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span mce_style="font-size: 11.0pt; font-family:
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font-family: "Calibri","sans-serif"; color: #1f497d;"
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Let’s
remember they are but one body that feeds into this multi-stakeholder
community. They are no more important than any
other...<o:p></o:p></span></div><div class="MsoNormal"
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lang="EN-US"> <a
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href="mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</a>]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Stéphane Van Gelder<br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, 12 June 2011
10:06 PM<br><b>To:</b> William Drake<br><b>Cc:</b> GNSO
Council<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [council] Fwd: GNSO meeting with GAC in
Singapore<o:p></o:p></span></div></div></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">Yup, that's the general gist of what I said to Heather
as well, including the fact that Thursday sounded so difficult to me for the
Council to accommodate that I didn't think it would
work.<o:p></o:p></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">Happy to insist on some face time
with the GAC if the Council feels it wants to push the issue. But in the end,
if they feel overstreched and would like to give the GNSO a miss this time
around, it may be difficult to force them to see
us.<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><span mce_style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family:
"Helvetica","sans-serif"; color: black;"
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black">Stéphane<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span mce_style="font-size: 13.5pt;
font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif"; color: black;"
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black"><o:p> </o:p></span></div></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">Le 12 juin 2011 à 12:47, William
Drake a écrit :<o:p></o:p></div></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">Hi from Singapore<o:p></o:p></div><div><div
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style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">Hot and humid here, you've been
warned…<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">I have to admit I'm puzzled that GAC
has time to meet with the Board, ALAC, ccNSO, registrars, SSAC, & review
teams but none to meet with the Council. Meanwhile dangling in the wind
are some of the ideas floated in SF (sorry, SV) such as having a joint team to
explore options for including them earlier/better in GNSO work, establishing
liaisons with SGs, etc. I'd have thought these and other ideas merited
follow up. So if the most we can get is an informal discussion, I'd be in
favor of it. But Thursday looks lousy, with public participation,
IGF & JAS (at the same time, a huge pity for some of us), Council
round up and the forum; the only open slots I see would be breakfast meeting
(horrid) or the lunch break (for those who can skip Getting
Ready).<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">Thoughts?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div
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style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">BIll<o:p></o:p></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">On Jun 11, 2011, at 5:30 PM, Stéphane
Van Gelder wrote:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">Councillors,<o:p></o:p></div><div><div
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style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">As I mentioned before, the GAC has
requested that we not hold our usual meeting with them in Singapore. I have
continued to discuss this with Heather, and she has sent me the following
suggestion:<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">Hi Stéphane,<br><br>I do understand. The GAC is
also reluctant but we have been very stretched for some time and haven't been
able to meet with other communities. There also now 2 Review Teams in
addition to dealing with the previous RT recommendations. It goes on and
on.<br><br>Let 's try to arrange an informal discussion - perhaps on the
Thursday? I'm not sure what all is scheduled for Thur. though I know
a few of us have a lunch meeting and there is also the session on
developing countries.<br><br>Heather
<o:p></o:p></div></div></blockquote></div><div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">I don't think an informal meeting is
really what we want. Plus, I think at this late stage it would be hard to
organise. What does the Council think?<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div
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style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">Thanks,<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div
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style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><span mce_style="font-size: 13.5pt;
font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif";"
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Stéphane<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div><div
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class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">Début du message réexpédié
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style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><<a
target="_blank"
href="mailto:Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx";>Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx</a>></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div
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juin 2011 23:24:20 HAEC</span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div
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"Helvetica","sans-serif";"
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif""><<a
target="_blank"
href="mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx";>stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx</a>></span><o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><b><span mce_style="font-size:
13.5pt; font-family: "Helvetica","sans-serif";"
style="font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif"">Objet
: RE: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore</span></b><o:p></o:p></div></div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div><div><div
class="MsoNormal" style="font-size:12pt;">Hi Stéphane,<br><br>I do understand.
The GAC is also reluctant but we have been very stretched for some time
and haven't been able to meet with other communities. There also now 2
Review Teams in addition to dealing with the previous RT recommendations.
It goes on and on.<br><br>Let 's try to arrange an informal discussion -
perhaps on the Thursday? I'm not sure what all is scheduled for Thur.
though I know a few of us have a lunch meeting and there is also the
session on developing countries.<br><br>Heather
<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: Stéphane Van Gelder
[mailto:<a
href="http://stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx";>stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx</a>]
<br>Sent: Wednesday, June 8, 2011 12:03 PM<br>To: Dryden, Heather:
SPS<br>Subject: Re: GNSO meeting with GAC in Singapore<br><br>Hi
Heather,<br><br>Thanks for your email.<br><br>I would rather not postpone our
Singapore meeting with the GAC obviously, because I know the GNSO considers
those meetings as very valuable.<br><br>However I also understand that the
GAC's Singapore schedule is probably so hectic you need to find time
somewhere.<br><br>Would it be helpful to have an informal discussion between
the GAC and GNSO Chairs and VCs in Singapore?<br><br>Stéphane<br><br><br><br>Le
6 juin 2011 à 23:25, <<a target="_blank"
href="mailto:Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx";>Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx</a>> <<a
target="_blank"
href="mailto:Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx";>Heather.Dryden@xxxxxxxx</a>> a écrit
:<br><br><br><o:p></o:p></div><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">Dear Stéphane,<o:p></o:p></div><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">I believe that we currently have 11 - 12.30 on the
Wednesday scheduled for a GNSO/GAC meeting in Singapore. I would like to
propose that we postpone the meeting until Senegal and perhaps schedule a
longer meeting of 2 or 3 hours to permit a more in-depth discussion of how the
GAC and the GNSO respectively conduct their work. This would allow the
GAC to better prepare for a discussion of working methods (for example, how the
GAC arrives at consensus views, what we consider to be consensus etc.).
This would also provide the GNSO with the opportunity to describe/explain
how you do what you do, the implications of the new structure and how the
GNSO approaches policy development.<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">In Singapore, the GAC will be looking at ways to
organize its work, including how it works with other parts of the community and
prepares for meetings. I will seek GAC representatives to come forward
and lead on the GNSO for the GAC. Either way, I would be happy to meet
with you in Singapore (and hopefully the GAC vice-chairs could join if GAC
volunteers have not yet been identified) to share some thoughts.
<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">I would like to move to greater preparation for all the
GAC face-to-face meetings (including times when the GAC is meeting by itself),
with the support of the new GAC secretariat, so that discussions can be more
focused when we do meet in person.
<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">Do let me know what your thoughts
are...<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
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style="font-size:12pt;"><o:p> </o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
style="margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div class="MsoNormal"
style="font-size:12pt;">Many thanks and see you
soon,<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
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style="font-size:12pt;">Heather<o:p></o:p></div></blockquote><blockquote
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