RE: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair

["Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>]

Bill,

I know you wanted your post to close the thread, but just to defend Stephane, 
his e-mail and messaging was discussed with the Council on the call yesterday 
and there was consensus on the call for that particular message to be sent.  
So, perhaps your message is really meant to those that were on the call 
yesterday as opposed to the Chair.

Again, given the incredibly tight timing, perhaps we can request a written 
report even prior to the next meeting.

Thanks.

Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
Please note new address:  21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166

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From: William Drake [mailto:william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Friday, April 29, 2011 6:02 AM
To: Stéphane Van Gelder
Cc: Neuman, Jeff; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx GNSO
Subject: Re: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair

Hi Stéphane

On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:


Thanks Bill.

This checking was done. As I explained when we got to that agenda item during 
the meeting yesterday, Rafik told us that he would not attend so we were aware 
of that. But because there were requests to discuss JAS from others, it was 
decided to keep that item on the agenda.

To repeat for thread closure what we just discussed at the coffee break here in 
Budapest, It's good to hear there was prior checking; as there have been 
similar cases I know of in which there wasn't, and absent info the contrary, I 
assumed this was the same dynamic.  That said, if one knows in advance that a 
colleague won't be able to make a meeting, it seems a tad odd to post hoc write 
on list expressing disappointment and suggesting everyone had been 
inconvenienced.

The message I sent as a follow-up after the meeting was as agreed and requested 
during the Council meeting, to ask both Rafik and Carlton if they would be 
willing to provide a JAS update at our next meeting. They have both responded 
since that message.

I am sorry you feel Rafik was lambasted. It was certainly not my intent.

I'm sure that's true, but think other wording would have better reflected your 
intentions by casting things in a neutral manner, e.g. instead of  "the GNSO 
Council was disappointed not to have you on our call, where we had set aside an 
agenda item and were looking forward to being updated by you," something like 
"sorry you were unable to attend the meeting, we look forward to you providing 
an update on the next call."

So ok, on the same page, onward and upward..

Cheers

Bill





Le 29 avr. 2011 à 08:15, William Drake a écrit :


Notice was given on 25 April that Rafik couldn't attend the meeting and was 
giving his proxy to Wendy, 3 days prior to the meeting.  It would have been 
better to simply remove the item from the agenda than to leave it on and then 
publicly lambast him post hoc like he just failed to show up.  In fact, as I've 
argued to Stephane before, I think it'd be sensible to check at the front end, 
before a draft agenda is posted, that persons to be named as discussion leaders 
will be able to attend and will have something to report.

Bill


On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:


Can we also add a note that if one or both of them are unable to attend, that 
they can submit a written report or have another person from the JAS group 
provide us with the update.

Thanks.

Jeffrey J. Neuman
Neustar, Inc. / Vice President, Law & Policy
Please note new address:  21575 Ridgetop Circle, Sterling VA 20166

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From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> 
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:26 AM
To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> GNSO
Subject: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair

Councillors,

As discussed on the call today, please see below the message Glen has just sent 
the JAS co-chairs on my behalf.

Thanks,

Stéphane



Début du message réexpédié :



De : Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:Glen@xxxxxxxxx>>
Date : 28 avril 2011 15:37:04 HAEC
À : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>>, 
Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>>
Cc : Stéphane Van Gelder 
<stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>>, 
"gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>" 
<gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>>
Objet : Message from the GNSO Council Chair

Sent on behalf of the GNSO Council chair: Stéphane van Gelder
_____________________________________________________________

Carlton, Rafik,

Just a short note to let you know that the GNSO Council was disappointed not to 
have you on our April 28, 2011 conference call, where we had set aside an 
agenda item on the JAS and were looking forward to being updated on the group's 
work by you.

The Council understands that other commitments may have prevented you from 
attending and would like to extend another invitation to join us at our next 
meeting on May 19.

Please let me know if you are able to attend.

Thanks,

Stéphane


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