Re: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair

[William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Stéphane

On Apr 29, 2011, at 10:53 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder wrote:

> Thanks Bill.
> 
> This checking was done. As I explained when we got to that agenda item during 
> the meeting yesterday, Rafik told us that he would not attend so we were 
> aware of that. But because there were requests to discuss JAS from others, it 
> was decided to keep that item on the agenda.

To repeat for thread closure what we just discussed at the coffee break here in 
Budapest, It's good to hear there was prior checking; as there have been 
similar cases I know of in which there wasn't, and absent info the contrary, I 
assumed this was the same dynamic.  That said, if one knows in advance that a 
colleague won't be able to make a meeting, it seems a tad odd to post hoc write 
on list expressing disappointment and suggesting everyone had been 
inconvenienced.
> 
> The message I sent as a follow-up after the meeting was as agreed and 
> requested during the Council meeting, to ask both Rafik and Carlton if they 
> would be willing to provide a JAS update at our next meeting. They have both 
> responded since that message.
> 
> I am sorry you feel Rafik was lambasted. It was certainly not my intent.

I'm sure that's true, but think other wording would have better reflected your 
intentions by casting things in a neutral manner, e.g. instead of  "the GNSO 
Council was disappointed not to have you on our call, where we had set aside an 
agenda item and were looking forward to being updated by you," something like 
"sorry you were unable to attend the meeting, we look forward to you providing 
an update on the next call."  

So ok, on the same page, onward and upward..

Cheers

Bill

> 
> 
> 
> Le 29 avr. 2011 à 08:15, William Drake a écrit :
> 
>> Notice was given on 25 April that Rafik couldn't attend the meeting and was 
>> giving his proxy to Wendy, 3 days prior to the meeting.  It would have been 
>> better to simply remove the item from the agenda than to leave it on and 
>> then publicly lambast him post hoc like he just failed to show up.  In fact, 
>> as I've argued to Stephane before, I think it'd be sensible to check at the 
>> front end, before a draft agenda is posted, that persons to be named as 
>> discussion leaders will be able to attend and will have something to report.
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> On Apr 28, 2011, at 4:29 PM, Neuman, Jeff wrote:
>> 
>>> Can we also add a note that if one or both of them are unable to attend, 
>>> that they can submit a written report or have another person from the JAS 
>>> group provide us with the update.
>>>  
>>> Thanks.
>>>  
>>> Jeffrey J. Neuman 
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>>> From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On 
>>> Behalf Of Stéphane Van Gelder
>>> Sent: Thursday, April 28, 2011 10:26 AM
>>> To: council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx GNSO
>>> Subject: [council] Fwd: Message from the GNSO Council Chair
>>>  
>>> Councillors,
>>>  
>>> As discussed on the call today, please see below the message Glen has just 
>>> sent the JAS co-chairs on my behalf.
>>>  
>>> Thanks,
>>>  
>>> Stéphane
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Début du message réexpédié :
>>> 
>>> 
>>> De : Glen de Saint Géry <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Date : 28 avril 2011 15:37:04 HAEC
>>> À : Rafik Dammak <rafik.dammak@xxxxxxxxx>, Carlton Samuels 
>>> <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>
>>> Cc : Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>, 
>>> "gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Objet : Message from the GNSO Council Chair
>>>  
>>> Sent on behalf of the GNSO Council chair: Stéphane van Gelder
>>> _____________________________________________________________
>>> 
>>> Carlton, Rafik,
>>> 
>>> Just a short note to let you know that the GNSO Council was disappointed 
>>> not to have you on our April 28, 2011 conference call, where we had set 
>>> aside an agenda item on the JAS and were looking forward to being updated 
>>> on the group's work by you.
>>> 
>>> The Council understands that other commitments may have prevented you from 
>>> attending and would like to extend another invitation to join us at our 
>>> next meeting on May 19.
>>> 
>>> Please let me know if you are able to attend.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> 
>>> Stéphane
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ________________________
>>> Glen de Saint Géry
>>> GNSO Secretariat
>>> gnso.secretariat@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> http://gnso.icann.org
>>>  
>> 
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