Re: [council] Re: Joint ccNSO/GNSO IDN Working Group (JIG)

[Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>]

Lesley,

I agree with the principle you are stating but I think we once again find 
ourselves the victims of the lack of a clear definition of what these joint 
groups are exactly and what process they should function under.

I suggest we pursue this discussion as I think it will be of use to both our 
SOs, with the aim of perhaps bringing together our issues/questions/suggestions 
on this during our traditional joint lunch in Singapore.

Thanks and please pass on to the ccNSO community the GNSO's best wishes for a 
lovely Easter weekend.

Stéphane



Le 22 avr. 2011 à 14:37, Lesley Cowley a écrit :

> Hi Stephane,
> 
> Thank you for the suggestion. I think that it would strengthen the GNSO/ccNSO 
> joint working group process if the final report had been signed off by both 
> SOs before submission to the Board.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Lesley
> 
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> From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
> Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2011 13:03:33 +0200
> To: Lesley Cowley <lesley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: Edmon Chung <edmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 'Ching Chiao' <chiao@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 
> 'Gabriella Schittek' <gabriella.schittek@xxxxxxxxx>, 'Glen de Saint Géry' 
> <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>, Bart Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@xxxxxxxxx>, 
> "council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Joint ccNSO/GNSO IDN Working Group (JIG)
> 
> Thanks Leslie.
> 
> You had asked the GNSO Council to hold off on sending the report until these 
> issues had been resolved. As this is now the case, would you rather the 
> Council waits until the result of your May 10th vote before sending the 
> report?
> 
> Stéphane
> 
> 
> 
> Le 22 avr. 2011 à 12:25, Lesley Cowley a écrit :
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Thanks to all for your discussions to understand the concerns that were 
>> being raised and to respond to them.
>> 
>> I believe that the issue has now been satisfactorily resolved and on that 
>> basis, the report has been added to the agenda for the next ccNSO meeting on 
>> the 10th May. I hope that the Council will adopt the report at that meeting.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Lesley
>> 
>> Lesley Cowley, OBE
>> CEO
>> Nominet
>> Minerva House
>> Edmund Halley Road
>> Oxford Science Park
>> Oxford, OX4 4DQ
>> UK
>> 
>> Tel: +44-(0)-1865-332211
>> http://www.nominet.org.uk/
>> 
>> From: Edmon Chung <edmon@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Wed, 20 Apr 2011 19:57:00 +0800
>> To: 'Ching Chiao' <chiao@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>, Stéphane Van Gelder 
>> <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Cc: Lesley Cowley <lesley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, 'Gabriella Schittek' 
>> <gabriella.schittek@xxxxxxxxx>, 'Glen de Saint Géry' <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>, Bart 
>> Boswinkel <bart.boswinkel@xxxxxxxxx>, <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: RE: [council] Re: Joint ccNSO/GNSO IDN Working Group (JIG)
>> 
>> Hi Ching,
>>  
>> Yes we do.
>>  
>> I believe we have clarified the issue with Patrik already.
>>  
>> He was worried that the JIG report removed the cross-script confusability 
>> check.  I assured him that the JIG report did not suggest anything of that 
>> sort.  And that cross-script confusability check was not explicitly 
>> mentioned because it is not an issue specific to Single Character IDN TLDs 
>> (but affects all new gTLDs as well as TLDs in any length).
>>  
>> The source of the misunderstanding came from the JIG report suggestion to 
>> remove the requirement for 2 character IDN TLDs to not be similar to any 1 
>> character string in any script.  The reason for the removal is due to the 
>> fact that the recommendation to introduce 1 character IDN TLD.  If the 
>> requirement was originally there because all 1 character TLDs were 
>> prohibited, and therefore following the logic that any TLD string should not 
>> be confusingly similar with any prohibited string, it was required that all 
>> 2 character IDN TLDs (in fact any character for that matter) be not 
>> confusingly similar to any 1 character string in any script.  We suggested 
>> to remove that because if it remained, it would have given rise to a 
>> situation where a 1 character IDN TLD application would be accepted while a 
>> 2 character TLD could be rejected because of similarity to that 1 character 
>> IDN TLD.  Rather it should not be rejected and should be considered a 
>> contention set and follow the contention process.
>>  
>> With this clarification, I believe there is no further issues, and there 
>> does not seem to be any need to update the JIG Final Report either.  As 
>> staff is aware of the discussion, perhaps it could also be passed to staff 
>> in implementation to prevent similar misunderstanding.
>>  
>> Edmon
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: ching.chiao@xxxxxxxxx [mailto:ching.chiao@xxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of 
>> Ching Chiao
>> Sent: April 20, 2011 9:18 AM
>> To: Stéphane Van Gelder; Edmon Chung
>> Cc: Lesley Cowley; Gabriella Schittek; Glen de Saint Géry; Bart Boswinkel; 
>> council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx GNSO
>> Subject: Re: [council] Re: Joint ccNSO/GNSO IDN Working Group (JIG)
>>  
>> Hi Edmon, Stéphane, All, 
>>  
>> Do we have an update on 1-character IDN TLD to address concern that ccNSO / 
>> SSAC has? 
>>  
>> If we are not doing anything now (i.e. forward the JIG recommendation to the 
>> Board given the new AG is out for comment) then it will put the GNSO council 
>> in awkward position. 
>>  
>> -- Ching
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, Ching Chiao <chiao@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Hi Stéphane,
>>  
>> I am copying the email below to Edmon Chung, Co-Chair of the JIG. I am also 
>> very curious to learn from SSAC / ccNSO about their concern and how it was 
>> handled during the working process as both were involved in the JIG. I think 
>> with the report produced a general agreeable approach on handling 
>> 1-character IDN TLD, and the GNSO shall request the ICANN Board / Staff to 
>> incorporate this into the next version of AG (refer to the JIG suggested 
>> wording), while ccNSO could take their time on the IDN ccPDP process. 
>>  
>> Thank you.
>>  
>> Best,
>>  
>> Ching
>>  
>>  
>> On Thu, Apr 14, 2011 at 1:22 AM, Stéphane Van Gelder 
>> <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Thanks Lesley,
>>  
>> I am copying the Council on this email in order to pass your message on. Do 
>> you have any idea of the timeframe for you to get the desired clarification 
>> from JIG and SSAC?
>>  
>> Stéphane
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Le 13 avr. 2011 à 12:38, Lesley Cowley a écrit :
>> 
>> 
>> Hi Stéphane,
>>  
>> I am advised that Patrick Fallstrom has raised some concerns with some of 
>> the language in the JIG Final Report, as member of the SSAC sub-group. 
>>  
>> In the circumstances, the ccNSO will ask for clarification from JIG and 
>> SSAC, before it takes any formal position/adopts the final report – would 
>> you be able to hold off the passing the report to the ICANN Board and staff 
>> whilst this is sorted please?
>>  
>> Kind regards,
>>  
>> Lesley
>>  
>> From: Stéphane Van Gelder <stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Date: Fri, 8 Apr 2011 23:55:22 +0200
>> To: Lesley Cowley <lesley@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> 
>> Cc: Gabriella Schittek <gabriella.schittek@xxxxxxxxx>, Glen de Saint Géry 
>> <Glen@xxxxxxxxx>
>> Subject: Joint ccNSO/GNSO IDN Working Group (JIG)
>>  
>> Leslie,
>>  
>> At its meeting yesterday, the GNSO Council passed the following motion on 
>> the JIG. As per this motion, I wanted to inform you of the GNSO's approval 
>> of the JIG's final report, as it pertains to new gTLDs.
>>  
>> Happy to answer any questions you may have. Please pass this on to the ccNSO 
>> as you see fit.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>>  
>> Stéphane
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> Motion on the JIG Final Report on Single Character IDN TLDs
>> ===========================================================
>> 
>> WHEREAS,
>> The Joint ccNSO/GNSO IDN Working Group (JIG) was created by mutual charters 
>> of the ccNSO (http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/jiwg-charter.pdf) and the 
>> GNSO (http://gnso.icann.org/resolutions/#200907);
>> 
>> The JIG identified 3 issues of common interest: 1. Single Character IDN 
>> TLDs; 2. IDN Variant TLDs; and, 3. Universal Acceptance of IDN TLDs;
>> The JIG has issued an Initial Report 
>> (http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/jig-initial-report-26jul10-en.pdf) for 
>> public comments 
>> (http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-2-27jul10-en.htm), and 
>> thereupon a Draft Final Report 
>> (http://ccnso.icann.org/workinggroups/jig-draft-final-report-04dec10-en.pdf) 
>> for public comments 
>> (http://www.icann.org/en/announcements/announcement-04dec10-en.htm), and 
>> have incorporated the comments into, and has reached consensus on the Final 
>> Report on Single Character IDN TLDs;
>> 
>> The JIG recommendations are consistent with the GNSO Final Report on the 
>> Introduction of New Top-Level Domains 
>> (http://gnso.icann.org/issues/new-gtlds/pdp-dec05-fr-parta-08aug07.htm), 
>> including the GNSO IDN WG Final Outcomes Report 
>> (http://gnso.icann.org/drafts/idn-wg-fr-22mar07.htm) and the GNSO Reserved 
>> Names WG 
>> (http://gnso.icann.org/issues/new-gtlds/final-report-rn-wg-23may07.htm) on 
>> the issue of Single Character IDN gTLDs; and,
>> The JIG recommendations suggested implementable measures for the acceptance 
>> of Single Character IDN gTLDs.
>> 
>> RESOLVED,
>> The GNSO Council approves the JIG Final Report on Single Character IDN TLDs, 
>> and forwards the report to the ICANN board and staff for its implementation 
>> into the next version of the New gTLD Applicant Guidebook as it pertains to 
>> the new gTLDs.
>> 
>> Resolved further, that the GNSO Council instructs the GNSO Chair to 
>> communicate its decision to the ccNSO Chair.
>> 
>> RESOLVED FURTHER, that the GNSO Council hereby expresses its appreciation to 
>> the JIG for their hardwork, and look forward to receiving further reports on 
>> "IDN Variant TLDs" and "Universal Acceptance of IDN TLDs".
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Ching CHIAO
>> Vice President, DotAsia Organisation LTD.
>> Chair, Asia Pacific Networking Group
>> Member of ICANN GNSO Council & RySG
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>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --
>> Ching CHIAO
>> Vice President, DotAsia Organisation LTD.
>> Chair, Asia Pacific Networking Group
>> Member of ICANN GNSO Council & RySG
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