Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate

[William Drake <william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

HI

On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Avri Doria wrote:

> Hi,
>
> In a truly secret ballot, which is what we are planning to set up  
> provisionally
Why?  It's not been apparent that there's a majority for closure.

> (awaiting the decision of the council on closing the vote)
When and how do we vote on this, I must have missed it.

Thanks,

Bill

> it would not be possible for Glen to identify the voters.
>
> a.
>
> On 17 Oct 2009, at 07:31, Gomes, Chuck wrote:
>
> > Glen could privately communicate the votes of each SG's Councilors to
> > the SG chair or in the case of constituencies to the Constituency
> > chairs.
> >
> > Chuck
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis
> > > Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:40 AM
> > > To: Tim Ruiz; GNSO Council
> > > Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed -
> > > Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
> > >
> > >
> > > But how do you prove to your SG that is actually what you
> > > voted (and that you represented them appropriately?).
> > >
> > > Adrian Kinderis
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
> > > Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2009 4:16 AM
> > > To: GNSO Council
> > > Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed -
> > > Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate
> > >
> > >
> > > Chuck raises an important point. Do the CSG Councilors intend
> > > that their
> > > votes be secret even within their SG? A secret ballot at the Council
> > > level is a different issue from keeping Councilors' votes secret  
> > > from
> > > their constituents.
> > >
> > > Tim
> > >
> > > -------- Original Message --------
> > > Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2
> > > Each House determines a Candidate
> > > From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Date: Fri, October 16, 2009 10:08 am
> > > To: "Mary Wong" <MWong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: "Council GNSO" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > >
> > > Strictly from a personal point of view:
> > >
> > > + I favor an open ballot for accountability and transparency  
> > > reasons,
> > > but I also respect the concerns of individual Councilors.
> > >
> > > + If just one Councilor requests a secret ballot, I then am
> > > fine with a
> > > secret ballot with at least one caveat that the votes of each
> > > SG's reps
> > > be communicated to the SG.
> > >
> > > + If am fine with Avri's suggestion to poll the Council regarding
> > > whether to hold a secret or open ballot.
> > >
> > >
> > > I have raised this issue on the RySG list and am waiting their
> > > direction.  In the end I will respond to the poll in accordance with
> > > that direction and not my personal views.
> > >
> > > Chuck
> > >
> > > From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> > > On Behalf Of Mary Wong
> > > Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:18 AM
> > > Cc: Council GNSO
> > > Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed -
> > > Part 2 Each
> > > House determines a Candidate
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
> > > > Do other council members believe this needs to be a secret ballot?
> > > I think that at a time when there seems to be a lot of
> > > mistrust amongst
> > > the ICANN community and. more importantly, when there are many new
> > > entrants/participants and Councillors, it's important to have  
> > > complete
> > > transparency in the GNSO processes. As such, I don't support
> > > the idea of
> > > a secret ballot in this case.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > Mary
> > >
> > >
> > > Mary W S Wong
> > > Professor of Law & Chair, IP Programs
> > > Franklin Pierce Law Center
> > > Two White Street
> > > Concord, NH 03301
> > > USA
> > > Email: mwong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Phone: 1-603-513-5143
> > > Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php
> > > Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network
> > > (SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584
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William J. Drake
Senior Associate
Centre for International Governance
Graduate Institute of International and
 Development Studies
Geneva, Switzerland
william.drake@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
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