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Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate



Hi,

As I mentioned when my plan for an open ballot was
first opposed, I will hold a vote on closing the ballot
just before you all vote for chair.  That is why the
secret ballot is being set up provisionally.

I have asked Glen to prepare paper ballots, just in case,
the motion to close the vote succeeds.  I have also asked her
to look into means for dealing with any absentee ballots in
case not all council members can be in Seoul for the meeting;
this includes investigating how quickly the standard email
vote can be turned around.  I am hoping everyone will be
there so that this complexity can be avoided.

I have yet to speak to Legal about the legitimacy of just counting
ballots before receiving absentee to see whether the absentee
are necessary to declare a winner.  I know the absentee ballots
would be essential in figuring out a leader in case we need to
do a runoff given the formula by which we will need to calculate
the leader.

I hope this covers the questions.

a.

On 19 Oct 2009, at 01:52, William Drake wrote:


HI

On Oct 19, 2009, at 6:21 AM, Avri Doria wrote:


Hi,

In a truly secret ballot, which is what we are planning to set up provisionally

Why?  It's not been apparent that there's a majority for closure.

(awaiting the decision of the council on closing the vote)

When and how do we vote on this, I must have missed it.

Thanks,

Bill

it would not be possible for Glen to identify the voters.

a.

On 17 Oct 2009, at 07:31, Gomes, Chuck wrote:


Glen could privately communicate the votes of each SG's Councilors to
the SG chair or in the case of constituencies to the Constituency
chairs.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Adrian Kinderis
Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 3:40 AM
To: Tim Ruiz; GNSO Council
Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed -
Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate


But how do you prove to your SG that is actually what you
voted (and that you represented them appropriately?).

Adrian Kinderis


-----Original Message-----
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
Sent: Saturday, 17 October 2009 4:16 AM
To: GNSO Council
Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed -
Part 2 Each House determines a Candidate


Chuck raises an important point. Do the CSG Councilors intend
that their
votes be secret even within their SG? A secret ballot at the Council level is a different issue from keeping Councilors' votes secret from
their constituents.

Tim

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed - Part 2
Each House determines a Candidate
From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, October 16, 2009 10:08 am
To: "Mary Wong" <MWong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Council GNSO" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>

Strictly from a personal point of view:

+ I favor an open ballot for accountability and transparency reasons,
but I also respect the concerns of individual Councilors.

+ If just one Councilor requests a secret ballot, I then am
fine with a
secret ballot with at least one caveat that the votes of each
SG's reps
be communicated to the SG.

+ If am fine with Avri's suggestion to poll the Council regarding
whether to hold a secret or open ballot.


I have raised this issue on the RySG list and am waiting their
direction. In the end I will respond to the poll in accordance with
that direction and not my personal views.

Chuck

From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Mary Wong
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 12:18 AM
Cc: Council GNSO
Subject: Re: [council] Council wide Nominations are closed -
Part 2 Each
House determines a Candidate



Hi

On Oct 15, 2009, at 3:56 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
Do other council members believe this needs to be a secret ballot?

I think that at a time when there seems to be a lot of
mistrust amongst
the ICANN community and. more importantly, when there are many new
entrants/participants and Councillors, it's important to have complete
transparency in the GNSO processes. As such, I don't support
the idea of
a secret ballot in this case.

Cheers
Mary


Mary W S Wong
Professor of Law & Chair, IP Programs
Franklin Pierce Law Center
Two White Street
Concord, NH 03301
USA
Email: mwong@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Phone: 1-603-513-5143
Webpage: http://www.piercelaw.edu/marywong/index.php
Selected writings available on the Social Science Research Network
(SSRN) at: http://ssrn.com/author=437584








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