Re: [council] GNSO Council meet and greet?
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- From: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 23:29:27 +0200
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Not that it matters, but I think the morning gripe session is a really
bad idea, and if there was to be a vote on it, and if I was voting, I
would vote against it.
While I was psychological counselor-in-training i participated in
several such events. Usually they were done at the beginning of
weekend or longer of bonding exercises, where first you tear down the
boundaries between people and get into a little from-the-gut truth
about your feelings for each other and the [company, organization,
environment, board ...). All good stuff to do, but stuff that leaves
most people reeling, at least initially. Then you take the people
through various exercises to help them get to know and trust each
other. At the end of weekend of trauma, stress, laughter, revelation
and tears, you get to a point where the bonding has happened and you
have a group who know each other better and have a reason to trust.
Mostly it works, sometimes it doesn't.
In this case, there will an hour, maybe two, where every one re-
inroduces them selves and lays out their favorite gripe or two. And
then we all go away and do consensus building work for the rest of
day, having ripped little shreds out of each other without any time to
As I said, I think it is a terrible idea. I could be wrong, but if
was hiring myself out a professional counselor (which theoretically I
could do - though I don't have license which would allow me to do
third party billing to your insurance companies yet), this is one gig
I would not take and would strongly advise against.
As normal, I have stated my opinion, won't advocate for that opinion,
and assuming I am still part of council either as a member or as chair
will participate in to the best of abilities.
On 16 Sep 2009, at 22:27, Adrian Kinderis wrote:
I also agree with Kristina’s conditions.
I would also like to include Constituency officers as observers for
the formal session. They could listen to the discussions but if they
had anything to contribute would have to do so through their
From: Stéphane Van Gelder [mailto:stephane.vangelder@xxxxxxxxx]
Sent: Thursday, 17 September 2009 2:45 AM
To: Rosette, Kristina; Adrian Kinderis; council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: [council] GNSO Council meet and greet?
I fully support the initiative (obviously).
I agree with Kristina that the morning session should not be
recorded if we want people to be honest.
I am OK with keeping these as closed Council sessions. The idea here
is to get some friendly interaction and discussion going within the
Council. I do however believe that it may be good to allow
constituency officers as well.
Le 16/09/09 15:23, « Rosette, Kristina » <krosette@xxxxxxx> a écrit :
I would support both sessions on the condition that both are closed
and participation is limited to Councilors and relevant staff. (I
wouldn't necessarily object to including Constituency officers.)
I also believe the morning session should be neither recorded nor
transcribed. Neither is conducive to the level of candor that the
productivity of the session requires.
Having the sessions be open seems likely to decrease their utility.
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Subject: [council] GNSO Council meet and greet?
As most of you will remember, on behalf of the registrars, I
suggested on the recent GNSO Council call that we should try to
create a number (two) fora in which we could get together and
interact on a social and informal level, especially in light of the
introduction of new Councillors.
I am not sure how much detail is required but here are my previous
suggestions that I sent Glen previously.
I think we should do two events.
The first would be to create an agenda item on the Saturday morning
where we could simply go around the room and introduce ourselves and
discuss openly any areas of concern - specifically to do with the
Council itself (points of view, voting etc). I know the registrars
for example would say that they are a little sick and tired of being
pigeonholed simply because they have commercial interests. I'm sure
other groups would have pet hates too.
Secondly I think we should have a social gathering on the Saturday
evening (perhaps just a few pre-dinner drinks if the budget doesn't
allow too much) where GNSO Councillors both new and old and ICANN
staff (those that interact regularly with the Council perhaps) can
gather once again for the purpose of getting to know new members
better and, more importantly, for each Constituency (Stakeholder
Group) be able to convey their distinct and perhaps unique
perspectives on the Council and the issues that are before us. That
said, it is a social event. It is more about getting to know the
personalities that make up the GNSO Council.
I believe that we would need a show of support for these ideas in
order for this to happen.
Can I please get your ideas/ thoughts/ suggestions or support to the