RE: [council] Regarding individual users

["Mike Rodenbaugh" <icann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Tim,

As an elected representative of commercial registrants, I don't see much if
any evidence of having a "powerful voice in getting a fair deal from
registrars" -- particularly with respect to the RAA and WHOIS issues.
Instead, the registrars have negotiated with Staff on the RAA and largely
ignored the voices of registrants, and they have taken a position simply
that WHOIS is fine and should never be discussed again.  I fail to see how
either position respects the voices of any substantial group of registrants.
If I am missing something, please enlighten me.

Thanks,
Mike

-----Original Message-----
From: owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On
Behalf Of Tim Ruiz
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 8:48 AM
To: Council GNSO
Subject: RE: [council] Regarding individual users


> they are dependent on the GNSO and its council as 
> the only voice they have in order to get a fair 
> deal from ICANN and its contracted parties.

Avri, not disagreeing with your comments below in general. 
But felt it necessary to point out that registrants as a 
class have the most powerful voice of all in getting a
fair deal from contracted parties - at least registrars.


Tim 

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: Re: [council] Regarding individual users
From: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
Date: Fri, December 26, 2008 10:40 am
To: Bruce Tonkin <Bruce.Tonkin@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "Council GNSO" <council@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>


Hi,

On 26 Dec 2008, at 05:21, Bruce Tonkin wrote:

>
> I note that individual commercial Internet users also are quite 
> diverse
> in their interests in domain names - ranging from those that are not
> domain name registrants and merely use the Internet for communication
> with suppliers, to those that actively maintain a portfolio of second
> level domains that either appreciate in capital value or earn money
> through advertising.


While I have not seen figures and it would be interesting to see such 
figures, I assume a much larger group (at least larger then the 
portfolio holder category) of Commercial interest are the Registrants 
whose small or single proprietor businesses depend on the outreach, 
advertising and information distribution gained through use of heir 
web sites.

And while the outreach of the GNSO into the non-registrant user 
community has been prescribed, I still think the GNSO needs to make 
sure that we care for the interests of all registrants, commercial and 
non-commercial, as a special class, as they are dependent on the GNSO 
and its council as the only voice they have in order to get a fair 
deal from ICANN and its contracted parties. I am hoping we don't 
forget these two categories of registrants while making a further 
outreach to non-registrant users as these registrants remain 
unrepresented for the most part (despite a few individuals who are 
represented).


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