Re: [ga] Sponsorship of IGF Workshops

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Danny and all,

  Good suggestion here Danny.  Maybe when the GA gets things
set up you could introduce this as a Motion for Consideration
by the GA members for the LA ICANN meeting?  Once we
have voted on it and if it is carried of course.


Danny Younger wrote:

> Roberto,
>
> Joe raises an interesting consideration, namely that
> if ICANN is in the business of dealing with DNS
> Security and Stability concerns, it should probably
> have the benefit of as much hard data as it can get.
> Joe has mentioned CAIDA (well known for their research
> and scholarship -- see, for instance
> http://www.caida.org/research/dns/ ).
>
> Perhaps ICANN could look into the prospect of engaging
> CAIDA's services?  Perhaps periodic analyses of DNS
> performance?
>
> --- Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Joe,
> >
> > The queries you refer are indeed errors: they are
> > requests who were
> > addressed to the wrong root.
> > People who want to address resources who are outside
> > the official root
> > system should go to the particular root that
> > recognizes those resources: if
> > they don't, it's what is commonly called a mistake,
> > aka "error".
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Roberto
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Joe
> > Baptista
> > > Sent: 06 July 2007 18:14
> > > To: Hugh Dierker
> > > Cc: Karl Auerbach; Danny Younger;
> > ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Sponsorship of IGF Workshops
> > >
> > > Hugh Dierker wrote:
> > >
> > > > Go slow for me. I assume that the root server
> > traffic analysis has
> > > > been asked for by someone. What is the suggested
> > reason for
> > > refusing
> > > > to make it public?
> > >
> > >
> > > The only one I ever remember being published was
> > the one from
> > > CAIDA.  I wrote on it:
> > >
> > >
> >
> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2003/02/05/dud_queries_swamp_us_internet/
> > >
> > > After that article I have never again seen an
> > analysis of
> > > root server traffic.  I asked for the data and
> > Paul Vxie back
> > > then refused to provide it to the public claiming
> > possible
> > > privacy violations.
> > >
> > > The reason why root server data and analysis is
> > not made
> > > public is because it show how much technical harm
> > has been
> > > done or is being done to the technical
> > infrastructure icann
> > > as sworn to protect.  The article tells you that
> > back in 2003
> > > 98 percent of the queries to the root servers were
> > errors.
> > > This is not altogether true.  Many of these errors
> > are as a
> > > result of the rapid expansion of other namespaces
> > - i.e. like
> > > the chinese government MII, the arab consortium -
> > etc etc.
> > >
> > > I would not be surprised if a majority of the
> > queries were to
> > > chinese IDNs run by the chinese government.  I
> > suspect the
> > > chinese wth the launch of their national tlds and
> > the
> > > conversion of the china network to national IDNs I
> > suspect
> > > the chinese traffic would now make up the bulk of
> > the volumn
> > > in DNS queries to the ICANN root.
> > >
> > > A proper analysis also makes them look like fools.
> >  Since it
> > > shows that as the US government has tried to
> > control the
> > > internet - the internet has fragemented and the
> > proof is in
> > > the traffic error rate.
> > >
> > > ICANN is proof that the USG experimet has failed.
> > This
> > > brings up the question - should we develop a root
> > integration
> > > experiment and have that replace icann.
> > >
> > > You see the problem here.  This data clearly shows
> > that as
> > > icann as played fun and games pretending to run
> > the internet,
> > > the internet has ended up causing them over 98 %
> > error rate
> > > and those errors represent alot of internet roo
> > > fragmentation.  And that is a violation of the IAB
> > Policy on
> > > the Unique root.
> > >
> > > I still remember the silly claims they had at
> > icann many years ago.
> > > They were grinding the propaganda mill telling the
> > world they
> > > had a monopoly on root services.  The alternative
> > root
> > > experiments proved that a farce.
> > >
> > > Check in to it - see if you can find any public
> > analysis available.
> > > CAIDA should be able to provide you with a copy of
> > the analysis.
> > >
> > > cheers
> > > joe baptista
> > >
> > > >
>

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