Re: [ga] Increased foreign attendance

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Veni and all,

  First of all Veni, the Markel foundation is not ICANN.  Hence
you have misinterpreted what Danny DID say in his previous
statements of actual fact on this thread.  Second, what the than,
NCDNHC did or did not contribute is largely irrelevant, and
a matter of opinion.  Frankly, the than NCDNHC and now
NCUC has been very forthcoming with proposals than
any other constituency.  Granted those formal proposals
may not have been the contribution ICANN Bod and staff
were looking for.  However if a particular proposal was
what the ICANN Bod and staff were looking for, than
why ask for proposals?  Seems a definite lack of open
mindedness is associated directly with that sort of process.

Veni Markovski wrote:

> Danny,
> Surely you understand that even in the beginning of your email there
> are some inaccuracies. I remember times when people from the NCDNHC
> were sponsored to go to ICANN meetings. Markle was giving quite a lot
> of money there. The fact they stopped is enough to judge whether the
> non-commercial domain name holders constituency was justifying this
> money. Or, rather, if the people who were in charge of this
> contributed something substential or it wasn't enough.
> The rest of your mail, as it is built on wrong foundation, is a very
> weak construction. Surely you can contribute better, through the NOrth
> American RALO, of which hopefully you will be a member (via ISOC-NY).
>
> Veni
>
> On 6/28/07, Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > Hello Debbie,
> >
> > Thank you for your comment.  Those of us that have
> > that have watched the process for a long long time
> > understand that ICANN has long denied travel funding
> > to certain groups.  For example, the elected
> > representatives of the non-commercial organizations
> > that constitute the NCUC (Non Commercial Users
> > Constituency) have never received funding from ICANN
> > that would allow its GNSO Councillors (from places as
> > remote and poor as Cambodia) to attend the ICANN
> > sessions -- the NCUC tends to be critical of ICANN.
> >
> > Another example, not that long ago I applied to the
> > GNSO Secretariat to request travel funding for General
> > Assembly members to attend an intersessional policy
> > formulating session (and, of course, that request was
> > denied) -- the GA is usually highly critical of ICANN.
> >
> >
> > In the meantime, ICANN allocates $US760,000 to cover
> > travel expenses for non-commercial organizational
> > representatives that are not members of the NCUC --
> >
> > Ultimately, it's a question of fairness.
> >
> > With regard to your other observations, ICANN can
> > certainly be faulted for not providing a plenary
> > agenda well in advance of its sessions.  No reasonable
> > person that is not funded by other self-interested
> > parties can plan to attend a conference without even
> > the benefit of a schedule of activities to justify the
> > expense of travel, lodging, and time away from family
> > or work.
> >
> > Many of us on this list have little interest in
> > ICANN's inclusion initiatives as long as ICANN
> > continues to pursue exclusionary policies.
> >
> > These exclusionary policies have seen the removal of
> > all at-large directors from ICANN's board, the formal
> > dissolution of the General Assembly as a
> > representative structure and no role for the broader
> > at-large community of unaffiliated individuals.
> > ICANN's exclusionary policies have twice seen the
> > Board disregard a petition for an individuals
> > constituency.
> >
> > Just because ICANN now has a swelling budget (the
> > result of Board-imposed domain name price increases
> > that the registrant community has to pay for) does not
> > mean that we approve of ICANN spending our monies to
> > gather up a circle of "friends" while those critical
> > of ICANN behaviors continue to be left out in the
> > cold.
> >
> > best wishes,
> > Danny
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- Debbie Garside <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Just a couple of small observations not directed at
> > > anyone but rather for
> > > the thread as a whole.  Technically government
> > > ministries (supposedly)
> > > represent the people who elected them.
> > >
> > > On a further note, many of us (probably most in this
> > > forum) have an option
> > > as to whether we spend our money going to ICANN
> > > meetings.  Questions like:
> > > is it worth the expense or is it not?  Do I want to
> > > spend my money on this
> > > or shall I have an extra holiday with my family? Can
> > > I afford the time?
> > > Etc.  Come into play.  For some the prospect of
> > > going to an ICANN meeting
> > > means spending 4 years (+) income!  Not really an
> > > option is it!
> > > http://www.cbuhaiti.org/about_haiti.htm
> > >
> > > I, for one, applaud the initiative.  I wish there
> > > were more such. If there
> > > were no such initiative, no doubt, members of this
> > > forum would be beating
> > > ICANN around the head with a big stick demanding it!
> > >  Perhaps we could
> > > change the essence of this thread to how ICANN can
> > > improve their "Inclusion
> > > Initiatives" as opposed to griping about
> > > participants being "paid" to
> > > attend.
> > >
> > > Regards
> > >
> > > Debbie Garside
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> > > > sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Sent: 27 June 2007 22:08
> > > > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > > Subject: Re: [ga] Increased foreign attendance
> > > >
> > > > Oh yeah... real PUBLIC participation... employess
> > > of
> > > > government ministries and telcos...  Seems more
> > > like a stooge
> > > > version of the GAC and Business Constituency, but
> > > without the
> > > > suit jackets and ties...
> > > >
> > > > Is anyone really surprised by this?
> > > >
> > > > Yup!  These people will definitely make a
> > > difference in ICANN
> > > > which will work to the benefit of the PUBLIC...
> > > LMAO!
> > > >
> > > > SS
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > >> This is a perfect example of how numbers get
> > > skewed.
> > > > >> The amazing part is that they are blowing their
> > > trumpets over it,
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >
> > >
> > <http://icann.org/announcements/announcement-26jun07.htm>
> > > > >> They pay these peoples to attend. To bad I no
> > > longer
> > > > >> live in a distant exotic land.
> > > > >>   I cannot believe that they did not see this
> > > > >> article as a bad idea.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>   Eric
> > > > >>
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