[ga] Re: netiqette and Danny

["kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

>4. It's better for the broader Internet community to have a strong
>ICANN, than just strong individuals with desire to give guidance
>when asked. How can you have any idea what is in the best interest
>of the Internet community when you do not listen to them?

I can.

You should spell that with two n's Veni. Because that is the exact problem
we discuss all the time. You guys believe you can represent the best
interests of users without asking them what they want. You believe it seems
that everyone should just relax because you all know whats best for us.

You are supposed to use bottom-up consensus. What exactly does that mean to
you Veni?


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Veni Markovski" <veni@xxxxxxxx>
To: "kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Danny Younger"
<dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>; "Veni Markovski" <veni@xxxxxxxx>; "Neuman, Jeff"
<Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>; <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 1:36 PM
Subject: netiqette and Danny


> At 11:43 AM 03.8.2006 '?.'  -0400, kidsearch wrote:
>
> >1. The proper channel to ask ICANN questions about its activities,
> >is through the Chair of the Board, or the President. That would be
> >okay, if it ever actually produced a response.
>
> Ha? Even Danny himself has been quoting responses from Vint to him,
> again in this mailng list.
>
> >2. Asking individual directors for their "guidance" is not the right
> >way to deal with an organization. At least not with ICANN, because
> >individual directors have no interest in understanding what users
> >have to say. If I want to deal with the US government I email or
> >phone my congressman. I don't call the President of the US. So your
> >idea of organization seems to conflict with others.
>
> I see. So, for you ICANN = US government. Very interesting, I admit.
> I've never thought about it. Thanks for pointing it out.
>
> >3. Your desire to look for guidance from individual directors is
> >understandabel, as the history of ICANN is full with strong
> >individuals, who may have been giving guidance to you before. The
> >problem is that none of the board members are giving guidance.
>
> And they certainly do a good job, then, if that's what they do.
> Perhaps you should read the by-laws and see what the directors could
> do as directors. Now, if someone was asking my own opinion on an
> issue - that's quite different, and I would have gladly give it. But
> no, you ask me about my guidance as a director. Representing who?
> ICANN? The Community? Me? ISOC-Bulgaria?
>
> >4. It's better for the broader Internet community to have a strong
> >ICANN, than just strong individuals with desire to give guidance
> >when asked. How can you have any idea what is in the best interest
> >of the Internet community when you do not listen to them?
>
> I can.
>
> >5. As for your questions, see the minutes of our January meeting.
> >And note - I do not make comments, or give the "guidance" you
> >requested. Neither you should expect me to comment on this - if you
> >need the comments, read point # 1 above. Rule Number 1: The Board is
> >always right. Rule Number 2. If the board is ever wrong, see rule number
1.
>
> Chris, Chris... When you can't comment on something, just don't do
> it. By using old jokes, you don't make a point. You make a point only
> that you can't respond reasonably to the fact that directors can not
> and should not represent ICANN.
>
> veni
>
>
>
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