Re: [ga] Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Chris and all,

Same, comments under the fold.

kidsearch wrote:

> Comments under the fold.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> To: "kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Cc: "General Assembly of the DNSO" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "james tierney"
> <james.tierney@xxxxxxxxx>; "Kathy Smith" <KSMITH@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "aba isc
> list" <ST-ISC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg Abbott" <greg.abbott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:01 AM
> Subject: Re: [ga] Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn
>
> > Chris and all,
> >
> >   No I wasn't testing you or anyone else at all Chris.
> >
> >   Your rebuttal fails to take into account or consider the central
> > theme, which is in the subject line as is what the article was actually
> > talking about, which is; "Google Sued for Allegedly *Profiting* From
> > Child Porn", not creating it.  Ergo also Ford and GM *Profited* from
> > weak safety regulations, skirting same, and violated other safety
> > regulations at what they knew before a single vehicle was sold of
> > same, and were rightly sued accordingly...
>
> They still PRODUCED the offending product. Google does not. Still apples and
> oranges.

Google DOES PRODUCE the offending product for searching and more easily
accessing "Child Porn" and as such is by doing so *Profiting* from same..
Different *Kind* of apple, yes.  Still an apple, and not an orange.

>
>
> >
> >   Google know full well far in advance that "Child Porn" is bad and
> > in some instances is a criminal activity, is yet still willing to *Profit*
> from
> > it.  Hence Google is rightly at least being sued accordingly...
>
> You have to PROVE the word "willing" They would have to have the INTENT to
> distribute child porn to be liable. If they have taken "reasonable" steps to
> filter it out or can show they have deleted accounts that contain illegal
> material, then they have proven they have taken "reasonable" steps to filter
> it out.

Maybe.

>
> >
> >   For the record, there are many different kinds of apples, it seems
> > that perhaps the "Google apple" has the most worms in the search
> > engine industry... >;)  It seems that eradication of at least some of
> > these Worms from the "Google apple" is necessary or desirable
> > in order for such an apple to be reasonably publicly palatable...
>
> The lawsuit is a reach at best. It has no chance of success. Google has deep
> pockets and that makes them a target.

Google also has a history of being obtuse, making itself a even bigger
target.

>
>
> Personally I think google's days as #1 search engine are numbered because
> they focus too much on quantity and not quality. They want the MOST results,
> the BIGGEST database.
>
> MSN, AOL, and Yahoo traffic has been much more targeted recently and
> converts to action better than google traffic. People want relative results
> not the most results. Who checks the 100,000th page of results anyway?
> So I'm not a big defender of google, not a fan, but the lawsuit is still
> garbage and worse yet, political garbage.
>
> >
> > kidsearch wrote:
> >
> > > Yes, but they actually had their hands on those things and produced
> them.
> > > They have never been successfully sued because a bank robber used their
> cars
> > > in a getaway or kidnappers using their vehicles to kidnap, or
> carjackings
> > > taking place because their cars are so desirable.
> > >
> > > So, you just did an apples and oranges comparison. Google doesn't
> produce
> > > the child porn like gm produced the faulty parts.
> > >
> > > This legal battle is one google wins easily. Save this email and refer
> back
> > > to it later, Jeff.
> > >
> > > You were just testing me to see if I'd notice the apples from the
> oranges
> > > right Jeff?
> > >
> > > Chris McElroy AKA NameCritic
> > > http://www.ThingsThatJustPissMeOff.com
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > To: "kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Cc: "General Assembly of the DNSO" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "james tierney"
> > > <james.tierney@xxxxxxxxx>; "Kathy Smith" <KSMITH@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "aba isc
> > > list" <ST-ISC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg Abbott"
> <greg.abbott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:06 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn
> > >
> > > > Chris and all,
> > > >
> > > > Wasn't general motors successfully sued for faulty gas tank placement?
> > > > Wasn't general motors also successfully sued for improper safety
> designs
> > > > in the Corvair, a la Ralp Nader?
> > > > Wasn't Ford also successfully sued for faulty gas tank placement in
> > > > both ford pinto and more recently for faulty gas tank placement
> > > > with the ford "Grand V"?  I believe so...
> > > >
> > > > kidsearch wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Thats like blaming general motors for the kidnapping of a child
> because
> > > he
> > > > > used a chevy van.
> > > > >
> > > > > Politician looking to capitalize on publicity being generated by the
> > > justice
> > > > > department recently over child porn and a law firm that sues for
> > > everything
> > > > > so they can make a buck.
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > To: "General Assembly of the DNSO" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Cc: "james tierney" <james.tierney@xxxxxxxxx>; "Kathy Smith"
> > > > > <KSMITH@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "aba isc list" <ST-ISC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
> "Greg
> > > > > Abbott" <greg.abbott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:43 AM
> > > > > Subject: [ga] Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn
> > > > >
> > > > > > All,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn
> > > > > > See:
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://news.com.com/Suit+accuses+Google+of+profiting+from+child+porn/2100-1030_3-6069014.html
> > > > > >
> > > > > > One has to wonder and I believe question how DOC/NTIA and
> > > > > > DOJ can continue to support some members of the ICANN BoD,
> > > > > > whom are directly involved/employed by Google given this saga
> > > > > > of miscreant behavior...???
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Regards,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > > > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders
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> is
> > > > > > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > > > > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > > > > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > > > > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > > > > > ===============================================================
> > > > > > Updated 1/26/04
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> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > > "Obediance of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> > > >    Abraham Lincoln
> > > >
> > > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > > > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> > > >
> > > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > > > ===============================================================
> > > > Updated 1/26/04
> > > > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > > > IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> > > > ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
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> > > >
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> >    Abraham Lincoln
> >
> > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> >
> > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > ===============================================================
> > Updated 1/26/04
> > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> > ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
> > E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >  Registered Email addr with the USPS
> > Contact Number: 214-244-4827
> >
> >

Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827