RE: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting

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Tim and all,

  Understood.  However even at that it is still 3x what
it needed to be, and at that it is very questionable
that this meeting in Delhi was needed at all as an in person
meeting.  

  So again, nice try, nor cigar.

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-----Original Message-----
>From: Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Dec 7, 2007 4:48 PM
>To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting
>
>
>Debbie,
>
>I think Denise was misunderstood, or maybe it wasn't clear. I took her
>note to mean the $205,800 was inclusive of the airfare of $147,000. Per
>Councilor - $7000 Bus. class airfare, $400 per day hotel/meals for seven
>days/nights (probably longer than most would actually stay).
>
>Not stating an opinion here, just clarifying.
>
>
>Tim 
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>-------- Original Message --------
>Subject: RE: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting
>From: "Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Date: Thu, December 06, 2007 12:57 pm
>To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>
>
>Flights to Delhi from the UK are currently starting at £241GBP (500USD)
>Not
>sure where the 16k USD per person comes in. I suspect a hotel for the
>week
>would be similar. When I stayed at the Grand it only cost £100 per
>night!
>
>Could someone from ICANN please inform this list as to how these figures
>where derived? I really think this must be a mistake.
>
>Many thanks
>
>Debbie
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Danny Younger
>> Sent: 06 December 2007 01:14
>> To: George Kirikos; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: [ga] ICANN Travel Budgeting
>>
>>
>> George,
>>
>> I just sent a similar note to Kieren by way of the CPSR
>> Governance list. I'd love to know why the other candidate
>> cities were rejected if the cost for attendance in Delhi is so high.
>>
>> regards,
>> Danny
>>
>>
>> --- George Kirikos <gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Hello,
>> >
>> > One *has* to take a look at these numbers:
>> >
>> >
>> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/council/msg04280.html
>> >
>> > "India Travel - It is estimated that airfare for 21 Council members
>> > for this meeting would be US$147,000. Cost for hotel/per
>> diem for 21
>> > Council members for this meeting would be US$205,800."
>> >
>> > That would be a total of $352,000, or $16,800 per person! To India!
>> > How many couples went on a holiday to India and spent $35K
>> for a week?
>> > The premium for business travel isn't that high, unless one
>> is staying
>> > at the Four Seasons.
>> >
>> > Compare that to the entire budgets of various constituencies, for a
>> > year, and that seems enormously wasteful.
>> >
>> > Why is it that no one at ICANN can provide a quote as to what
>> > Webex.com or another videoconference solution that can
>> scale to 200+
>> > people would cost?
>> >
>> > I predict it would cost substantially LESS than $1000 per
>> person for a
>> > week of live feeds using Webex or other systems. And folks could
>> > participate from the comfort of their home/office, and
>> sleep in their
>> > own bed at night. Their carbon footprint would also be much less.
>> >
>> > I assume the number of ICANN staffers being sent far exceeds 21, so
>> > you can just imagine the enormous wasteful spending, on the
>> backs of
>> > domain registrants. More bread, less circuses.
>> >
>> > If you're going to flush away $50,000 for 3 council members from a
>> > single constituency, I think it would be better to give
>> that money to
>> > the relevant constituency, and then have that constituency
>> decide how
>> > the money is to be spent. I imagine they'll be able to
>> search around
>> > for much cheaper tickets and/or hotels, or decide to use
>> the money to
>> > reduce their constituency annual membership fees, etc.
>> >
>> > When something is "free" it tends to get abused, be it the
>> Add Grace
>> > Period, or travel funding. More efficient allocations of resources
>> > occur when one is given the choice of how to allocate those "free"
>> > funds.
>> >
>> > Sincerely,
>> >
>> > George Kirikos
>> > http://www.kirikos.com/
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
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