Re: [ga] Questions for Joe Baptista / Eric Dierker, and why the GA list should be ended

[Joe Baptista <baptista@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

George:

Congratulations.  You have been doing your homework.  Your 
interpretation is quite off.  And you attributing quotes to me that were 
never made.  In other words you haven't properly done your due 
diligence.  Now it's time to contribute your talents to the group.  It 
is however very inappropriate and offensive to cut and run.
Your information in my opinion causes direct harm to Dr. Dierker by 
associating him with fabricated testimonials.  It's a good thing for the 
record to remember who  am - since I am the author of order M-618 
Information Privacy Ontario.  I suggest you research there - IPC M-618 
(Municipal) at the IPC (Ontario).
In any case I can assure you that while Dr. Dierker should be clearly 
offended,he is not since I know him to be a reasonable man, by legal 
definition.  I however am amused by your claims.  I will address your 
respective claims, which are in fact known in my experiment as 
propaganda bombs, as soon as I have the time and the patience.
Indeed I will be honoring you with a reply.  I hope you understand 
this.  I am a volunteer list monitor and have not agreed to be offended 
by slanderous and libelous claims against me.  Its irrelevant.  However 
it really gets my goat when someone uses my proprietary work to further 
a propaganda campaign against the list chair.  Who has no association 
what so ever with the doctors.
I am pleased with a review of your web page.  You seem to understand the 
seriousness of libel and slander law.  So you should also appreciate 
that I expect you to follow through with your mission here.  I can 
assure you as list monitor I am honor bound to ensure you don't get 
kicked off the list.  Provided you follow the list rules your safe.  I 
didn't make the rules.  You guys on the list did.  We have made history 
here.  And that history was led by dr dierker.  He is the first leader 
we have had who has made a difference and gotten the show on the road.
I completely disagree with you that this is just a list.  It is much 
more then that.  Yes it is composed of infrastructure - an email address 
list, but it is also the home of a participatory democracy.  The list is 
governed by those who participate.   Those who wish to remain silent 
need not participate.  I recommend those who are silent learn how to use 
their keyboards and familiarize themselves with their reply key.  
Interacting on the list and voicing your vote is simple and easy.  We 
now have rules to facilitate discussions.  Voice your opinion.  And if 
you don't you must be happy with the status quo.
You are correct in your assumption concerning the unknown behind the 
email address.  I have been concerned myself of such nonsense as to the 
"unverified and unauthenticated" nature of the GA.  Potential takeover 
by any one specific group to the detriment of the GA is possible in 
todays day and age of email and an unverified and unauthenticated 
electorate is a very bad idea.  We need to do better.  And we can do better.
So George - how would you verify and authenticate the electorate?  This 
democratic engine of the GA, this united nations is much more, this GA 
is historic.  Organized we are ICANNs salvation or we can play its 
executioner.  The GA now has a voice and that voice is powerful and te 
options are ours to exercise.  Come up with some ideas.  We need some 
privacy rules and maybe a document rentention process or proceedure to 
validate and authenticate each member of the participatory electorate.
Now in closing - you nominated Vint Cerf and Sotiris Sotiropoulos for 
the position of chair.  I second your nomination of Vint Cerf.  He is a 
list member.  However he's part of the group that does not vote.  I 
really have not done an analysis of Sotiropoulos to know if he's up for 
list chair.
I'm going to be calling you on this.  I have not been this amused in 
years.  So stay on board.  Come up with solutions.
cheers
joe baptista

George Kirikos wrote:

> Hello,
>
> I'm temporarily rejoined this list, as I had a set of questions for Joe
> Baptista and Eric Dierker, and question whether this list has any
> remaining legitimacy.
>
> 1. Joe Baptista routinely refers to himself using the moniker "Dr."
> Indeed, he's referred to as such in Harvard's study of the GA-Full list
> at:
>
> http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/icann/publicparticipation/
>
> According to:
> http://web.archive.org/web/20030225054736/http://www.kkc.net/baptista/
>
> in an article discussing fax-bombing and wasting of government
> resources by Mr. Baptista, and other net-pranks, he's not really a
> doctor.
>
> "They call themselves "The Doctors" because Baptista says that when he
> uses the attribution, he gets better tables in restaurants. No member
> of the Doctors is a conventional doctor."
>
> Given this person purports to be "list monitor", and indeed has
> suggested:
>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg07777.html
>
> "I would lke to see the GA appoint an executive and get itself a bank
> account."
>
> Thus, Question #1: Which insitution granted your doctorate degree, to
> allow for verification?
>
> 2. Given #1, and Eric Dierker's claiming to be a doctor, whereas an
> organization is purported to exist called "The Doctors" who simply want
> better tables in restaurants, which institution granted your doctorate
> degree, to allow for verification?
>
> 3. Related to #2, and #1, at:
>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg02442.html
>
> Dierker wrote in relation to .pro:
>
> "CONTRACT; It would appear that there is/was a contractual obligation
> that this venue be reserved for us professionals. (mine of course with
> due apologies is California State Bar No. 112873, Ca. Trial Lawyers No.
> 65169, Order of St. Lukes - Ooops Ministers were not included in the
> criteria) Was it really reserved for us and was the process reserving
> it for me and my kind really legitmate?"
>
> which would lead people into believing he was a lawyer or a member of
> the bar, when the facts show otherwise:
>
> http://members.calbar.ca.gov/search/member_detail.aspx?x=112873
>
> "This member is resigned and may not practice law in California."
>
> Question #3a: When you referred to "us professional" and "reserving it
> for me and my kind", was Mr. Dierker not purporting to be an active
> attorney in the state of California?
>
> Question #3b: The website at:
> http://www.lukeford.com/stars/male/reuben_sturman.html gives an
> interesting theory (although provides no proof) as to why you're no
> longer practising law (see the five paragraphs beginning with "The
> attorney, Eric Dierker, has the records locked into a safe deposit box,
> and starts looking over his shoulder."
>
> Please outline the exact charges pending in 1991 by the State Bar of
> California in case #91-Q-8137, and how they might affect "trust issues"
> that would ensue as being "chair" of anything related to ICANN.
>
> 4. "Erik Dierker", who claims to be "chair" on the basis of 7
> unverified and unauthenticated votes out of a list of 200+ members,
> see:
>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg06401.html
>
> "Well, these results do not equal a mandate."
>
> has started speaking to the real press, pretending to be legitimately
> representing this "GA" to the press:
>
> http://www.pcworld.com/article/id,136522-c,internetnetworking/article.html
>
> "In addition to those issues, there was some disagreement over
> accountability issues under OPoC and the speed at which registrars
> would be required to respond to requests for access to shielded data,
> said Eric Dierker, chairman of the general assembly of ICANN's Generic
> Names Supporting Organization. The GNSO is the body responsible for
> developing policy for the domain name system."
>
> Notice the definition defined the GNSO, but not the GA (i.e. basically
> a public mailing list, not formed from the constituencies)  itself ---
> this misleads people into thinking that the GA list is somehow equal to
> the GNSO Council. Most people hearing the words "general assembly" will
> think of the United Nations, with its General Assembly, and thus not
> understand that the GA list is simply a public mailing list, with no
> authority over policy and is not a constituency.
>
> This leads to the natural question: In order to eliminate confusion
> that undermines the legitimate GNSO Council, why should the GA list not
> be renamed the "Public Discussions Mailing List"?
>
> 5. Why did Avri Doria, without performing any due diligence into the
> above, make it a priority at the GNSO Council to give the GA List,
> comprised of "Doctors and Lawyers" as above, essentially a captured
> kooks list at this point, any legitimacy? Indeed, one can argue that
> the keys to the asylum have been turned over to the inmates. It might
> be appropriate for Ms. Doria to consider resigning as chair of the GNSO
> Council, to avoid further embarrassing GNSO Council due to this total
> lack of due diligence.
>
> Given the above, I nominate Vint Cerf and Sotiris Sotiropoulos as Chair
> of the GA list (not a question, but since apparently only kooks have
> been nominated, lets put up some competition). :)  (don't bother to
> nominate me, I'm only visiting) I would hope their first acts would be
> to end this list.
>
> I look forward to the explanations above, and anticipate my coming
> banning from this list for spoiling the net-kooks party. 
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George Kirikos
> http://www.kirikos.com/
>
>
>  

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