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RE: [registrars] RE: Registrar Approval of Variable Accreditation Fee for 2003-2004

  • To: "'Rick Wesson'" <wessorh@xxxxxx>, Tim Ruiz <tim@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: RE: [registrars] RE: Registrar Approval of Variable Accreditation Fee for 2003-2004
  • From: Paul Stahura <stahura@xxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2003 22:26:24 -0700
  • Cc: Registrars List <registrars@xxxxxxxx>
  • Sender: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx

Rick that is not exactly the correct question.
It should be what percentage of registrants who are "good guys" lie and
what percentage of "bad guys" lie?
Lets say something like 10% of all registrants lie.
But of those 10%, 90% of them are bad-guys 
and the other 10% of the 10% are good-guys who just want to 
have some privacy so they lie for that reason lets say.  

More true data from the group who provide mostly true data now does not help
I doubt IP attys and law enforcement have as much need to find whois 
for these registrants as they do for whois from fraudsters, who are exactly
the registrants who will provide very accurate (it will pass all the
self-referential checks), but false data.

We really need correct and true information from people who do lie (the bad
Getting it is the problem.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rick Wesson [mailto:wessorh@xxxxxx] 
Sent: Thursday, September 04, 2003 7:10 AM
To: Tim Ruiz
Cc: Registrars List
Subject: RE: [registrars] RE: Registrar Approval of Variable Accreditation
Fee for 2003-2004

> Rick, for the me the point is that getting more precise data does not
> in any way mean that it is more accurate. The congress, and others,
> seem to be under the impression that one leads to the other. It
> doesn't. All this will lead to is a better quality of bad data. What
> is the problem that they are really trying to solve?  

Tim, you confuse me.

if you assume everyone lies in their registration, the data will be no
more accurate -- folks will just learn to be more efficient in their lie.
However most registrants dont lie, if just a few percent of registrants
lie then improving the tests on registrant data quality should improve the
overall accuracy of registrant data.

It all depends on the amount of registrants that desire a fraudulent
registration. If I follow your logic it sounds like everyone wants to lie
about their registrant data. which means more precise data will not lead
to more accurate data -- and we have a much larger problem.

The question to answer what percentage of registrants lie in a domain


Subcommittee on Courts, the Internet, and Intellectual Property
2:00 p.m. in 2141 Rayburn House Office Building

Oversight Hearing on: "Internet Domain Name Fraud - - the U.S.
Government's Role in Ensuring Public Access to Accurate Whois Data"


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