RE: [registrars] wls and domain expiraion dates (9/11) (fwd)

[Rick Wesson <wessorh@xxxxxx>]

forwarded for rob, his mail isn't getting posted to the list...

-rick


---------- Forwarded message ----------
Date: Thu, 7 Aug 2003 15:29:36 -0400
From: Rob Hall <rob@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: wessorh@xxxxxx, Registrars List <Registrars@xxxxxxxx>
Subject: RE: [registrars] wls and domain expiraion dates (9/11)

Elana,

I think it was clear that Ricks post was as CEO of Alices Registry.  That is
how he signed it.

AND, I might well argue that it should have been as CTO, given that the
constituency has officially voted against WLS.

Ricks main point was that while the information is available via whois, that
is not the most efficient way of getting it, and in fact, is against the
whois ettiqute of running high speed scripts against it.

I believe Rick was simply asking for a better, more efficient way to get the
data.

The whois data also does not contain the real expiry date, but rather
automatically flips the expiry date to the next year as the domain
auto-renews.

But I believe this is the wrong argument to be making.  The consituency
voted against the WLS, and should be voicing that view, not the "lets fix
little pieces of it here and there."

WLS as a whole must be stopped, not tinkered with.  It creates a monopoly
and kills the existing competitive industry.

Rob.



-----Original Message-----
From: owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-registrars@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of Elana Broitman
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:55 PM
To: wessorh@xxxxxx; Registrars List
Cc: halloran@xxxxxxxxx; twomey@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: RE: [registrars] wls and domain expiraion dates (9/11)


Rick - to clarify, your posting is as an individual company, not as CTO of
the Constituency.

As to the substantive point, the expiration date appears in the Whois
record.  So, it is already available, is it not?

Regards

Elana Broitman
Register.com
575 Eighth Avenue
New York, NY 10018
Phone (212) 798-9215
Fax   (212) 629-9309
ebroitman@xxxxxxxxxxxx


-----Original Message-----
From: wessorh@xxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 2:23 AM
To: Registrars List
Cc: halloran@xxxxxxxxx; twomey@xxxxxxxxx
Subject: [registrars] wls and domain expiraion dates (9/11)



While pondering marketing WLS, I realized that for a perfect market in WLS
to arise registrars will need to know the expiration date for all domains
with a potential to be deleted durring the WLS test.

Will the registry be making available a list of all domains deleting in
the next 12 months and their expiration date? If this information is not
available the registrars with many domains (network solutions, tucows,
register.com, melborne it) deleting in that period will have an advantage
over registrars with smaller portfolios. Thus the big players will have an
advantage of pre-knowlege on which domains to market WLS subscriptions
for.

For a complete and fair market to develop all domains and their expiration
dates should be made available at least 30 days before the launch so that
there is enough time to market the WLS subscriptions, for those domains
with a likely hood of expiration in the 12 month period, and other domains
that will be deleted before their expiration date.

Understand that the precedent of a current list of domain pending delete
ensures a fair and level market in deleted domains. logic would follow
that a list current of domains in .com and .net and their expiration date
will be required by registrars marketing WLS.

If this information is not desiminated there could be an increased load in
the registry whois servers as registrar, resellers and speculators mine
the registry whois to obtain the information thus creating an advantage
for those that violate agreements against automated whois queries.

I am not sure that the registry has the authority to desiminate the
information of a registrars domains currently under management and their
respective expiration date as some public companies guard this
information. It is my belief that it should be ICANN that publishes this
data as to remove any liability from the registry.

To prevent whois data mining, unfair and ineffective markets in WLS,
please consider this a formal request for ICANN to publish a list of all
domains in .com and .net and their associated expiration date, to be
published before Sept 11 2003, so that registrars may effectively market
WLS subscriptions in a fair and competitive market.


best,

Rick Wesson
CEO, Alice's Registry, Inc.