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RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
- To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
- From: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 30 Jul 2007 19:06:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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Chuck and all,
Understood here on the FAQ Chuck. However the plug-in
(i-Nav) should have made provisions for differences in
language versions of the below mentioned Windows OS's.
It doesn't. Hence, as I originally stated, the i-Nav seems
to force users to upgrade to more recent versions of windows
accordingly. That's not good plug-in design, plain and simple.
When designing this plug-in one serious consideration should
have been given for users whom are Korean that use the english
version of Windows 98, ME, and/or NT and may also use the Korean
language version of same. Perhaps versioning of the i-Nav plug-in
as a correction to address this likely user possibility is
a more reasonable approach. Please consider it. >:)
Another consideration for this plug-in design also should
have been, and possibly was, is for different browsers support.
-----Original Message-----
>From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jul 30, 2007 6:11 PM
>To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>
>Here is some additional information that might be helpful.
>
>The VeriSign FAQ for the i-NAV(tm) plug-in can be found at
>http://idn.verisign-grs.com/plug-in/support/index.jsp. Please note the
>response in the FAQ to question #2 under the heading 'i-Nav: Internet
>Explorer Plug-In' (What versions of Internet Explorer does i-Nav(tm)
>support?); it is copied here: "The i-Nav(tm) plug-in is compatible with
>Windows 98, ME, NT, 2000, XP and runs in Internet Explorer 5.0 and
>above. Due to the limitations of English versions of Windows 98, ME and
>NT, it is not possible to enter multilingual text into the address bar
>and therefore you cannot use i-Nav(tm) on those operating systems. To
>enable multilingual usage for English versions of Windows 2000 and
>Windows XP, please go to Control Panels/Regional Options and then select
>the languages you wish to use." As you can see, we specifically say
>that the problem will occur for users who are on an **English** version
>of those operating systems.
>
>This would not be an issue for a user on say a Korean version of any of
>those operating systems because they can enter multilingual text into
>the address bar. I should also point out that the majority of users of
>i-Nav(tm) are on **non--English** versions of the operating system quite
>simply for the fact that IDNs are targeted to specific language
>environments and most English speakers do not know how to enter
>multilingual characters of a language. Finally, because of the
>limitations of the Windows Operating system (for those systems) **and
>not** i-Nav(tm) we wanted to set expectations **for English** users.
>
>Note also that IE7 can only be used on XP/SP2 or Vista systems so
>i-Nav(tm) would be required to resolve IDNs on any other system using
>IE6.
>
>Chuck Gomes
>
>"This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to
>which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged,
>confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any
>unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If
>you have received this message in error, please notify sender
>immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission."
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Gomes, Chuck
>> Sent: Monday, July 30, 2007 9:47 AM
>> To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>>
>> Please note some factual corrections to the message below.
>>
>> Chuck Gomes
>>
>> "This message is intended for the use of the individual or
>> entity to which it is addressed, and may contain information
>> that is privileged, confidential and exempt from disclosure
>> under applicable law. Any unauthorized use, distribution, or
>> disclosure is strictly prohibited. If you have received this
>> message in error, please notify sender immediately and
>> destroy/delete the original transmission."
>>
>>
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Sent: Friday, July 27, 2007 10:03 PM
>> > To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Cc: i-nav@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>> >
>> > Chuck and all,
>> >
>> > Thanks for the detailed info. Glad someone is on the ball here.
>> > >:)
>> >
>> > What I noticed is the IDN plugin isn't fully supported
>> for OS's Win
>> > 98, ME and NT, as "it is not possible to enter multilingual
>> text into
>> > the address bar and therefore you cannot use i-Nav on those
>> operating
>> > systems."
>>
>> Correction: The plugin works fine for the OS's listed. We
>> developed and fully tested the plug-in for the OS's listed
>> and nothing has changed in that regard.
>>
>> > Perhaps this
>> > is where the current/original hauge.com problem is centered?
>> > Just a thought. However it also occurs to me that this
>> plugin seems
>> > to force an upgrade to IE 7.0 which has significant
>> security problems
>> > which MS has not yet addressed and is currently not recommended by
>> > NIST. That's not a very good solution. And certainly not user
>> > friendly, if you don't mind me saying so.
>>
>> Correction: The plug-in does not force an upgrade to IE 7.0.
>> It is still available and usable for all the OS's you
>> listed. It would not be needed if IE 7.0 was being used but
>> that has nothing to do with its functionality for other OS's.
>>
>> >
>> > So doing online banking or financial transactions with a usable
>> > platform for this plugin, opens up users to significant security
>> > problems which the GAO, FISMA, ICT, NIST, and ISC recommend
>> strongly
>> > against. Hence this plugin for ecommerce purposes is not
>> very useful
>> > and likely dangerous to users.
>> >
>> >
>> > -----Original Message-----
>> > >From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>> > >Sent: Jul 27, 2007 9:58 AM
>> > >To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>> > >
>> > >VeriSign implemented the Web-based navigation system in
>> January 2003.
>> > >The system was implemented as a temporary bridging solution
>> > to improve
>> > >the user experience by providing distribution of the
>> > i-Nav(tm) plug-in
>> > >until software that supported the Internationalized Domain
>> > Name (IDNs)
>> > >standards was more readily available. The i-Nav plug-in is
>> > a tool that
>> > >users can download and use to navigate IDNs at the browser level.
>> > >
>> > >Because an increasing number of browsers now support IDNs,
>> > on July 25,
>> > >2007, VeriSign completed the decommissioning of its Web-based
>> > >navigation system as a distribution mechanism for the i-Nav
>> > plug-in.
>> > >VeriSign notified all registrars in May 2007 that the
>> > decommissioning
>> > >would take place.
>> > >
>> > >It is important to note that VeriSign has not decommissioned
>> > the i-Nav
>> > >plug-in. In fact, the i-Nav plug-in is still available
>> for download
>> > >and remains supported by VeriSign, (To download the i-Nav
>> > plug-in visit
>> > >www.idnnow.com.)
>> > >
>> > >The decommissioning of the Web-based navigation system had
>> > no impact to
>> > >the current users of the i-Nav plug-in or IDN-enabled browsers.
>> > >However, for those who are not using the i-Nav plug-in or an
>> > >IDN-enabled browser, VeriSign strongly recommends they install an
>> > >IDN-enabled browser of their choice to continue to enjoy
>> > navigating the
>> > >Web using IDNs in their own language. A few sample browsers
>> > currently
>> > >supporting IDNs are as follows:
>> > >
>> > >* Microsoft Internet Explorer
>> > >URL: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx
>> > >Platform: Windows XP, Windows Server 2003
>> > >Version: 7.0 and higher
>> > >
>> > >* Netscape Navigator (English only)
>> > >URL: http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/
>> > >Platform: Windows
>> > >Version: 7.0 and higher
>> > >
>> > >* Opera Web Browser
>> > >URL: http://www.opera.com
>> > >Platform: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux
>> > >Version: 7.2 and higher
>> > >
>> > >* Firefox
>> > >URL: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
>> > >Platform: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux
>> > >Version: 0.6 and higher
>> > >
>> > >For those users who wish to continue to use older versions
>> > of Microsoft
>> > >Internet Explorer such as Internet Explorer 5 or 6,
>> VeriSign's i-Nav
>> > >plug-in is still available for download at
>> > http://www.idnnow.com. This
>> > >plug-in will continue to be a valuable add-on for Internet
>> > Explorer 5
>> > >or
>> > >6 running on old versions of Windows platforms such as
>> > Windows 98, NT
>> > >and 2000.
>> > >
>> > >Chuck Gomes
>> > >
>> > >"This message is intended for the use of the individual or
>> entity to
>> > >which it is addressed, and may contain information that is
>> > privileged,
>> > >confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any
>> > >unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly
>> > prohibited.
>> > >If you have received this message in error, please notify sender
>> > >immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission."
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >> -----Original Message-----
>> > >> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Danny Younger
>> > >> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:03 AM
>> > >> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > >> Subject: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>> > >>
>> > >> Posted to ICANN's Public Partiocipation Website:
>> > >>
>> > >> Hello, I'm a server manager in a Korean web hosting company.
>> > >> The recently big obstacle occurs in connection of Hangul(Korean
>> > >> alphabet) .com domain. Currently 92% of the Korean
>> Internet users
>> > >> when using the Hangul.com and Hangul.net domain which is
>> > registered
>> > >> can only see the message "Page cannot be displayed". Before
>> > >> previously 20th passed, it does not same current status.
>> > >>
>> > >> So, All of Hangul IDNs registrants are put on the
>> serious monetary
>> > >> damage and broken fame of their site.
>> > >> I asked a cause in various registrar and found out that is
>> > >> discontinues i-nav navigation server operations which
>> the Verisign
>> > >> operates from Korea and the various area does.
>> > >>
>> > >> Verisign positions which I listen from Korean registrars
>> > is, because
>> > >> MS released ie 7.0, there are not necessity to operating i-nav
>> > >> navigation.
>> > >> But this judgement is to be incorrect at least in Korea.
>> > >>
>> > >> After release of MS ie 7.0 at 2006 November, world-wide
>> 4 browsers
>> > >> all under supporting IDNs. But 93% of the Korean
>> Internet users as
>> > >> yet is using ie6.0. If there is not i-nav navigation,
>> millions of
>> > >> domain will not be able to use entirely.
>> > >>
>> > >> Because of i-nav navigation, although MS did not update
>> against ie
>> > >> IDNs after IDNs international standard published, Hangul
>> > IDN service
>> > >> is possible.
>> > >> Currently the connection of the Hangul .com and Hangul
>> .net IDN in
>> > >> Korea absolutely depends in i-nav navigation.
>> > >>
>> > >> Unlike with Europe or the United States, only 7.34%
>> Korean use the
>> > >> browser which support IDNs. 99% of the Korean Internet
>> > users use MS
>> > >> Internet Explorer, but market share of 7.0 versions
>> which support
>> > >> IDNs still stop in 6.8%. And IE 7.0 has not in prospect to
>> > automatic
>> > >> update in near future In Korea.
>> > >> From Friday which passes, when Korea 92.5% Internet user inputs
>> > >> Hangul .com in the address window, they does not get any
>> > result , or,
>> > >> on top of that they moved toward the dangerous fishing site. Of
>> > >> course, to previously that also these users will be able
>> > to visit a
>> > >> Hangul .com and Hangul .net site through i-nav web
>> > navigation server.
>> > >>
>> > >> Because well to know Korean Internet environment the KRNIC
>> > which is
>> > >> Korean ccTLD registry operates a difference server for Hangul.kr
>> > >> domain will be able to connected right site without help
>> > of browser.
>> > >> Verisign judged i-nav navigation server retirement at
>> > least without
>> > >> consideration about this situation.
>> > >>
>> > >> Follows Korean registrars, they are sending a request
>> > Verisign. But
>> > >> it is difficult situation expecting positive answer. If this
>> > >> disconnection of Hangul.com and Hangul.net domain is
>> continued, it
>> > >> will bring result which put the thousands of registrant on
>> > enormous
>> > >> loss and, lose the foundation of IDNs from hereafter Korea.
>> > >>
>> > >> Based on these facts, I proposes ICANN and Verisign to
>> know about
>> > >> seriousness of problem and to take the appropriate management. I
>> > >> expects your countermove with deep consideration the
>> > universality of
>> > >> domain and Internet.
>> > >>
>> > >> Thank you for reading my poor English.
>> > >>
>> > >> * the statistical data which it refers to be referred from
>> > >> www.internettrend.co.kr reports.
>> > >>
>> > >> http://public.icann.org/forums/public-forum#comment-321
>> > >>
>> > >>
>> > >>
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