Re: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues

[jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

William and all,

  Great.  I am sure it will be helpful to non IE7 users.

  What is important is will Verisign adapt your approach
for these folks, or will they as Dr. Joe rightly expounded
upon, fix their nearly worthless approach for non IE7
users and particularly this customer to something similar
to your approach?  My bet is they will do neither.

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Tan, William" <William.Tan@xxxxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jul 28, 2007 10:26 PM
>To: jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: Re: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>
>I would like to echo Stephane's comment about using non-free 
>(proprietary) software and take the opportunity to advertise ISC's open 
>source EchIDNA plug-in for IE 5 and 6, which is of course free with 
>source code available for public scrutiny.
>
>Project home page: http://idn.isc.org/
>Download: http://idn.isc.org/blog/files/public/echidna-setup.exe
>
>
>=wil
>
>
>jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx wrote:
>> Chuck and all,
>>
>>   Thanks for the detailed info.  Glad someone is on the
>> ball here.  >:)
>>
>>   What I noticed is the IDN plugin isn't fully supported
>> for OS's Win 98, ME and NT, as "it is not possible to enter 
>> multilingual text into the address bar and therefore you 
>> cannot use i-Nav on those operating systems."  Perhaps
>> this is where the current/original hauge.com problem 
>> is centered?  Just a thought.  However it also occurs
>> to me that this plugin seems to force an upgrade to
>> IE 7.0 which has significant security problems which
>> MS has not yet addressed and is currently not recommended
>> by NIST.  That's not a very good solution.  And certainly 
>> not user friendly, if you don't mind me saying so.  
>>
>>   So doing online banking or financial transactions with
>> a usable platform for this plugin, opens up users to significant
>> security problems which the GAO, FISMA, ICT, NIST, and ISC
>> recommend strongly against.  Hence this plugin for ecommerce
>> purposes is not very useful and likely dangerous to users.
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>>   
>>> From: "Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>> Sent: Jul 27, 2007 9:58 AM
>>> To: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: RE: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>>>
>>> VeriSign implemented the Web-based navigation system in January 2003.
>>> The system was implemented as a temporary bridging solution to improve
>>> the user experience by providing distribution of the i-Nav(tm) plug-in
>>> until software that supported the Internationalized Domain Name (IDNs)
>>> standards was more readily available.  The i-Nav plug-in is a tool that
>>> users can download and use to navigate IDNs at the browser level.  
>>>
>>> Because an increasing number of browsers now support IDNs, on July 25,
>>> 2007, VeriSign completed the decommissioning of its Web-based navigation
>>> system as a distribution mechanism for the i-Nav plug-in.  VeriSign
>>> notified all registrars in May 2007 that the decommissioning would take
>>> place.
>>>
>>> It is important to note that VeriSign has not decommissioned the i-Nav
>>> plug-in.  In fact, the i-Nav plug-in is still available for download and
>>> remains supported by VeriSign, (To download the i-Nav plug-in visit
>>> www.idnnow.com.)  
>>>
>>> The decommissioning of the Web-based navigation system had no impact to
>>> the current users of the i-Nav plug-in or IDN-enabled browsers.
>>> However, for those who are not using the i-Nav plug-in or an IDN-enabled
>>> browser, VeriSign strongly recommends they install an IDN-enabled
>>> browser of their choice to continue to enjoy navigating the Web using
>>> IDNs in their own language. A few sample browsers currently supporting
>>> IDNs are as follows:
>>>
>>> *	Microsoft Internet Explorer
>>> URL: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/downloads/ie/getitnow.mspx  
>>> Platform: Windows XP, Windows Server 2003
>>> Version: 7.0 and higher 
>>>
>>> *	Netscape Navigator (English only)
>>> URL: http://browser.netscape.com/ns8/  
>>> Platform: Windows 
>>> Version: 7.0 and higher 
>>>
>>> *	Opera Web Browser
>>> URL: http://www.opera.com 
>>> Platform: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux
>>> Version: 7.2 and higher
>>>
>>> *	Firefox
>>> URL: http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ 
>>> Platform: Windows, Mac OS X, Linux 
>>> Version: 0.6 and higher 
>>>
>>> For those users who wish to continue to use older versions of Microsoft
>>> Internet Explorer such as Internet Explorer 5 or 6, VeriSign's i-Nav
>>> plug-in is still available for download at http://www.idnnow.com. This
>>> plug-in will continue to be a valuable add-on for Internet Explorer 5 or
>>> 6 running on old versions of Windows platforms such as Windows 98, NT
>>> and 2000. 
>>>
>>> Chuck Gomes
>>>
>>> "This message is intended for the use of the individual or entity to
>>> which it is addressed, and may contain information that is privileged,
>>> confidential and exempt from disclosure under applicable law. Any
>>> unauthorized use, distribution, or disclosure is strictly prohibited. If
>>> you have received this message in error, please notify sender
>>> immediately and destroy/delete the original transmission." 
>>>
>>>
>>>     
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
>>>> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Danny Younger
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2007 8:03 AM
>>>> To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: [ga] VeriSign & Korean IDN.com issues
>>>>
>>>> Posted to ICANN's Public Partiocipation Website:
>>>>
>>>> Hello, I'm a server manager in a Korean web hosting company.
>>>> The recently big obstacle occurs in connection of 
>>>> Hangul(Korean alphabet) .com domain. Currently 92% of the 
>>>> Korean Internet users when using the Hangul.com and 
>>>> Hangul.net domain which is registered can only see the 
>>>> message "Page cannot be displayed". Before previously 20th 
>>>> passed, it does not same current status.
>>>>
>>>> So, All of Hangul IDNs registrants are put on the serious 
>>>> monetary damage and broken fame of their site.
>>>> I asked a cause in various registrar and found out that is 
>>>> discontinues i-nav navigation server operations which the 
>>>> Verisign operates from Korea and the various area does.
>>>>
>>>> Verisign positions which I listen from Korean registrars is, 
>>>> because MS released ie 7.0, there are not necessity to 
>>>> operating i-nav navigation.
>>>> But this judgement is to be incorrect at least in Korea.
>>>>
>>>> After release of MS ie 7.0 at 2006 November, world-wide 4 
>>>> browsers all under supporting IDNs. But 93% of the Korean 
>>>> Internet users as yet is using ie6.0. If there is not i-nav 
>>>> navigation, millions of domain will not be able to use entirely.
>>>>
>>>> Because of i-nav navigation, although MS did not update 
>>>> against ie IDNs after IDNs international standard published, 
>>>> Hangul IDN service is possible.
>>>> Currently the connection of the Hangul .com and Hangul .net 
>>>> IDN in Korea absolutely depends in i-nav navigation. 
>>>>
>>>> Unlike with Europe or the United States, only 7.34% Korean 
>>>> use the browser which support IDNs. 99% of the Korean 
>>>> Internet users use MS Internet Explorer, but market share of 
>>>> 7.0 versions which support IDNs still stop in 6.8%. And IE 
>>>> 7.0 has not in prospect to automatic update in near future In Korea.
>>>> From Friday which passes, when Korea 92.5% Internet user 
>>>> inputs Hangul .com in the address window, they does not get 
>>>> any result , or, on top of that they moved toward the 
>>>> dangerous fishing site. Of course, to previously that also 
>>>> these users will be able to visit a Hangul .com and Hangul 
>>>> .net site through i-nav web navigation server.
>>>>
>>>> Because well to know Korean Internet environment the KRNIC 
>>>> which is Korean ccTLD registry operates a difference server 
>>>> for Hangul.kr domain will be able to connected right site 
>>>> without help of browser. Verisign judged i-nav navigation 
>>>> server retirement at least without consideration about this situation.
>>>>
>>>> Follows Korean registrars, they are sending a request 
>>>> Verisign. But it is difficult situation expecting positive 
>>>> answer. If this disconnection of Hangul.com and Hangul.net 
>>>> domain is continued, it will bring result which put the 
>>>> thousands of registrant on enormous loss and, lose the 
>>>> foundation of IDNs from hereafter Korea.
>>>>
>>>> Based on these facts, I proposes ICANN and Verisign to know 
>>>> about seriousness of problem and to take the appropriate 
>>>> management. I expects your countermove with deep 
>>>> consideration the universality of domain and Internet.
>>>>
>>>> Thank you for reading my poor English.
>>>>
>>>> * the statistical data which it refers to be referred from 
>>>> www.internettrend.co.kr reports.
>>>>
>>>> http://public.icann.org/forums/public-forum#comment-321
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>        
>>>>       
>> Regards,
>> Jeffrey A. Williams
>> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
>> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>>    Abraham Lincoln
>>
>> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very
>> often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>>
>> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability
>> depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
>> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
>> United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
>> ===============================================================
>> Updated 1/26/04
>> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of
>> Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
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>>
>>   
>
Regards,
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is very
often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B; liability
depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security IDNS. div. of
Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402 E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Registered Email addr with the USPS Contact Number: 214-244-4827