RE: [ga] Public Comment Period: NARALO MOU

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

The most mission critical worldwide enterprize, I would think is Aviation. And for at least 60 years. How do they handle the language issue with traffic control?
   
  In my neighborhood there are at least 15 languages spoken, and I am talking a square mile. 
   
  ASEAN Association of SouthEast Asian Nations, not one of which has English as a dominant language uses English as the official language.
   
  Eric
  
JFC Morfin <jefsey@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  At 13:10 14/07/2007, Debbie Garside wrote:
>The problem is, where do you stop. India has 22 Official languages. Canada
>has Ineut and Cree in some provinces.

The problem is pretty simple to address, because it is networked with 
many other technical, political, societal habitus, agreements, 
treaties. There are several definitions of what a language may be 
that may conflict. There are clear definitions of language usages.

I suppose that we should ask Martin Boyle you know well. Martin is 
the GAC UK representative, and certainly one of the world/European 
top specialists in that area (he specialized in e-commerce, 
represented EU during the Tunis round, and through his agreement with 
David Gross co-fathered/permitted this way the current IGF formula). 
He knows very well the ICANN community.

IMHO the target is to be objectively and legally more efficient. This 
probably means two main things: to respect sovereignties (because 
they structure the whole human society) and to prevent languages from 
being perceived or used as technical barriers to trade, along WTO rules.

This is the action point documented in my 
http://mltf.org/070622-prop.pdf open business coopetition proposal 
which raises the most support. Comments show that the problem can 
both be not-enough and too-much languages. A position English mother 
tongue people may have difficulty to feel: beyond a reasonable number 
of languages (6 for the UN, far more for trade), if there is no 
direct translation system permitting face to face dialogues, too many 
languages are perceived as a way to promote English as a lingua 
franca (a koine).

This is a problem, you know very well, is a conceptual confusion 
between "content languages" as per ISO TC37 about terminology, 
lingistics, semantics, pragmatics, etc. and "administrative/business 
languages", as per ISO TC46 that are languages the required use of 
which, in the considered country or area, is not a WTO technical 
barrier to trade.

Best.
jfc

> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Roberto Gaetano
> > Sent: 14 July 2007 08:13
> > To: 'JFC Morfin'; 'Jeff Williams'; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: RE: [ga] Public Comment Period: NARALO MOU
> >
> > JFC Morfin wrote:
>>Correct. I am afraid you miss ".pm". Definitly North American.
>>Definitly French as an official language.
> >
> > Unfortunately, in 2003 .pm (Saint Pierre et Miquelon) was
> > reassigned to the European region, being a French Overseas
> > Territory (or Department, I might be wrong, JFC will know
> > better than me).

Territory. However, the definition of ICANN regions seemed to be 
under reevaluation? As a French @large, I am certainly in favor of 
ICANN regions to be based on geography as the Internet priority is to 
the users and real usages, before regalian issues. This is a 
consequence (IMHO) of the importance acknowledged to the civil and 
business societies.

> >
> > But nevertheless I share JFC's reasonment, also the fact that
> > language is a local cultural element often reflected in local rules.
> > For instance, Italy has one single official language, which
> > as you could guess is italian. However, in some regions,
> > local languages are accepted also for official documents,
> > like, for instance, French in Val d'Aosta and German in Alto
> > Adige (Südtirol).
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Roberto
> >
> >
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>>>when in a Spain or any
>>> > other Spanish speaking country, speak Spanish.
>>
>>Correct. This then means that the issue is not the official 
>>language, but the languages being used. This is important as the 
>>USA have no official language.
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>>Louisiana (English and French), New Mexico (English and Spanish), 
>>and Hawai'i (English and Hawaiian) are officially bilingual. As 
>>well as three US territories: American Samoa (Samoan and English), 
>>Guam (English and Chamorro), and Puerto Rico (Spanish and English). 
>>Northern Marianas Islands (English, Chamorro, and Carolinian) is 
>>even tri-lingual. Miami recognises English, French Creole, and 
>>Spanish as official government languages.
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>>jfc
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