RE: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council

["Debbie Garside" <debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Hi Jeff

I have to agree with Chuck on this, I think Avril's mail was perfectly clear
and polite in saying that the GNSO Council list is for members, liaisons and
staff only. To write "NO" as Joe suggested (consider yourself told off Joe -
shame on you as List Monitor) would be quite unprofessional IMHO.  I would
not start a response in that way and do not expect others to display what I
would call such unprofessional behaviour - it ain't cricket m'dear!

I also think that if this group wishes to be taken seriously they/we should
accept such explanations gracefully.  Do you really think the GNSO Council
could wade through the volumes of mail posted to it if it was open house!


I also think that Danny is right in his (subsequent) response.  There needs
to be a mechanism for "real/important" information to be conveyed to the
GNSO Council.  However, as Avril also stated, that unofficial) mechanism is
somewhat in place, it's just that the message is invariably lost in the
noise*; a number of members of the Council, ICANN Board and ICANN Staff
monitor this list.  The way it should work, IMHO, is if the Chair perceives
consensus from the members of this forum on an issue of import he can inform
the members of the Council/Board/Staff.  

Whilst on this subject, members of this list should go through the Chair -
that is what they are for.   It is quite unnecessary to copy the board/staff
into various mails and it just waters down any issues of importance the
Chair may raise on this groups behalf.

If you/we could just clean up our act, devise the rules and regulations for
contribution to this list (and stick to them) we might find we MAY be taken
seriously and have significant input as an expert body.  I keep saying this
and you are not listening.  If I cannot keep up with the volume of emails I
don't see how any other professional can.  

I call upon the Chair and the List Monitor to bring this forum to order.
(Please :-))  Let us try to find order within chaos and a way around this
hermeneutic circle. 

Best

Debbie
*Shannon and Weaver as applied to human communication
 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Jeff Williams
> Sent: 10 July 2007 06:17
> To: ga
> Subject: Re: [ga] GA list and the GNSO council
> 
> Dr. Baptista and all,
> 
>   Here here!  Given the length and/or dissertation form of 
> her answer, it read more like and excuse rather than an explanation.
> I am glad you, Dr. Joe, recognized that in your remarks below.
> Seems Chuck and Dr. Dierker didn't recognize same, or wished 
> to be tricky in not directly reveling that they had.  >;)
> 
>   Ahhh, isn't nuance a wonderful thing!  >;)  I often equate 
> nuance with CYA and/or an over indulgence in political 
> correctness when a answer to a request is made, and good 
> direct answer is not *reasonably* available.
> 
> Joe Baptista wrote:
> 
> > Gomes, Chuck wrote:
> >
> > >Jeff,
> > >
> > >I am not sure why you concluded that Avri did not answer 
> your request:
> > >She said, and I repeat, "I also believe that if the 
> council is (to) 
> > >get work done, it is critical that the council list remain 
> a council 
> > >member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and relevant 
> > >staff."  I certainly do not mean to be flip, but I 
> understand that to 
> > >be a 'no' with regard to your request.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > People should say what they mean and mean what they say.  
> > Unfortunately this is email and the same rules don't necessarily 
> > apply.  I usually find it is better to simply repond in one word 
> > answers and then launch into an explaination which means 
> (or equals) 
> > no.  So I would word this as follows,
> >
> > Avri should of said "NO, I believe that if the council is (to) get 
> > work done, it is critical that the council list remain a council 
> > member's list with posting only by council, liaisons and 
> relevant staff."
> >
> > Thats a much better statement which conveys a consise 
> ANSWER, followed 
> > by a detailed excuse or explaination.
> >
> > Anyway Chuck hope all is well.
> >
> > regards
> > joe baptista
> >
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