RE: [ga] Call for Statements of Interest -- NA RALO Seats on ALAC

[jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]

Roberto and all,

  I agree with your indirect question indicating the lack
of outreach by the GA.  It in all honesty has not been done.
However as the GA is no longer a part of the ICANN structure, 
the motivation for doing so is minimal.  

  But given the bizintine rules for ALAC membership,
it cannot by any stretch of the imagination be considered
ligitimate in representing users or registrants.  This is
what in fact is what is missing or wrong with ICANN and has
been sense ICANN's conception, and more so sense the
GA no longer being considered a part of the ICANN structure.
Yet we have had recent elections and have a type of structure.
Why than has not the GA been re-recognized?


-----Original Message-----
>From: Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: Jun 23, 2007 9:50 PM
>To: 'Danny Younger' <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>
>Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>Subject: RE: [ga] Call for Statements of Interest -- NA RALO Seats on  ALAC
>
>Danny,
>
>Unless I am missing something, this is the election by the NA RALO members
>(who are all by definition on the NA RALO list) of *their* representative in
>ALAC. Thank you for admitting that is at least *not unacceptable* to you to
>even post it to the NA RALO list, you are very generous and open minded.
>
>If somebody from outside the NA RALO would like to be elected to the
>position, he/she should, at least, lobby the NA RALO, and/or have a
>sufficient number of friends in the NA RALO to get elected. Ergo, he/she
>would know anyhow via the friends he/she has. Of course, for PR reasons, it
>would be good to publicize this more broadly, I agree with you on that.
>Where we disagree, is that it is a *fraud*, as you call it, not to do it.
>
>As a matter of fact, may I have the list of all outreach actions the GA has
>taken when planning the election of its officials?
>
>Best regards,
>Roberto
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx] 
>> Sent: 22 June 2007 22:31
>> To: Roberto Gaetano
>> Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: RE: [ga] Call for Statements of Interest -- NA RALO 
>> Seats on ALAC
>> 
>> Roberto,
>> 
>> No one's arguing that it's unacceptable to post the notice to 
>> a relevant mailing list.  I contend that the requirement for 
>> sufficient outreach has not been met. 
>> The Call for Statements of Interest was not posted on the 
>> NARALO website, it was not posted on the ALAC website, it was 
>> not posted on the ICANN website; neither was it posted on 
>> ICANN's public participation website, nor in the ICANN Blog.  
>> It was not in an ICANN newsletter, nor in an ICANN news alert 
>> nor in an at-large newsletter.  
>> 
>> Confining the Call only to the tiny handful of subscribers to 
>> the NA list is unfair to the broader North American At-Large 
>> community.
>> 
>> Perhaps you recall the earlier at-large elections? 
>> Sufficient publicity, and 10,632 participating North American 
>> members... and what do you have now with your pretend 
>> at-large?  Will you even get 32 votes to select a North 
>> American representative to the ALAC? 
>> 
>> It's sad to think that you remain comfortable perpetrating a fraud.
>> 
>> As Milton Mueller recently stated on the NCUC list:
>> 
>> "Originally, the At Large was created to represent 
>> unaffiliated individuals. After the "reforms" of 2002, when 
>> the At Large membership became the At Large Advisory 
>> Committee, the concept of At Large was suddenly based on "At 
>> Large Structures" (ALSs). "At large structure" is just a 
>> fancy name for a noncommercial organization. The combination 
>> of an ALAC based on ALSs and an NCUC based on noncommercial 
>> organizations is a source of perpetual confusion among civil 
>> society actors who are considering participation in ICANN, 
>> and a source of discoordination within ICANN. This confusion 
>> is compounded by the fact that many people, apparently 
>> including the Board Governance Committee, still think that 
>> ALAC represents unaffiliated individuals, which it does only 
>> imperfectly because of its reliance on ALSs."
>> 
>> The entire ALAC and RALO concepts remain an insult to the 
>> at-large community.  I guess it's no wonder that you want to 
>> keep real outreach to the real at-large to a minimum... 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> --- Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> 
>> > Danny,
>> > Since the seat is for representing NA RALO, I find it perfectly 
>> > acceptable to post it in the relevant mailing list, i.e. 
>> the NA RALO.
>> > Obviously, participants to the NA RALO mailing list, like you, can 
>> > post it to other list as they see fit.
>> > Cheers,
>> > Roberto
>> > 
>> > 
>> > > -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
>> > Danny Younger
>> > > Sent: 22 June 2007 16:37
>> > > To: veni markovski; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: Re: [ga] Call for Statements of Interest
>> > -- NA RALO
>> > > Seats on ALAC
>> > > 
>> > > Veni,
>> > > 
>> > > You understand that no outreach was done
>> > whatsoever? 
>> > > Just a Call posted to a single small list?  And
>> > you find this
>> > > acceptable?  Shame on you.
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > --- veni markovski <veni@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> > > 
>> > > > Danny,
>> > > > you understand that sometimes the quality is not
>> > in the quantity,
>> > > > right?
>> > > > As for that - I believe we have had a discussion
>> > about the
>> > > > participation in the At Large process. People
>> > can choose to
>> > > be part of
>> > > > this solution, or part of the problem, or part
>> > of the landscape.
>> > > > And, as Wendy pointed out, there is no problem
>> > for the
>> > > organizations
>> > > > (e.g. ISOC-New York) to be more active at the At
>> > Large.
>> > > > So, you could contribute, or continue to try to
>> > mock and ruin other
>> > > > people's efforts.
>> > > > 
>> > > > veni
>> > > > 
>> > > > At 09:51 6/22/2007  -0700, Danny Younger wrote:
>> > > > >Spotted only on the North American discuss list
>> > -- really great
>> > > > >outreach if all you want is a tiny
>> > > > club.
>> > > > >Probably deserves a complaint to the
>> > Ombudsman's office...
>> > > > 
>> > > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > > 
>> > >        
>> > >
>> >
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