Re: [ga] If PIR is violating its own advisory charter, why do they expect to have .org renewed?

[Veni Markovski <veni@xxxxxxxx>]

I understand what you say, but my question was different. Yes, you 
may think that it's being monitored by "most", but it may not be 
indeed monitored by "all", or even "most", or even "few". Anyway, 
I've forwarded your mail, and I will inform the readers on the response.

veni

p.s. But still, using the list as a mailbox, where people can drop 
their, sometime anonymous, letters, and expect reaction - that 
reminds me of the Soviet Union before Gorbachev, when there was 
actually such a department, dealing with anonymous signals 
(anonymki), sent to the Central committee of the Communist party :) 
They removed these signals after Gorbachev, but the people 
immediately created a song, in which there were the following lines:

Anonymki were put away,
perhaps to know,
the right address and family name
and the characteristic features of the fool.



At 08:20 AM 13.10.2006 '?.'  -0700, George Kirikos wrote:
> While some folks consider the GA list to be a "cesspool", it's the main
> cross-constituency list that exists in ICANN. As such, it is secretly
> monitored by most, even if they just lurk and do not post often.
> Indeed, just the other day Esther Dyson graced us with a posting.
>
> http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg04933.html
>
> Perhaps it's like the circus (everybody loves a circus!) or the traffic
> accident (one can't look away!) or like the episode of Seinfeld where
> they discover everybody was secretly watching "Melrose Place":
>
> http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheBeard.htm
>
> One need only post something to the GA list, and it will certainly be
> heard. Whether folks choose to act on it, or engage in the usual games
> of denial, that "we never knew about this" is up to them.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George Kirikos
> http://www.kirikos.com/
>
> --- Veni Markovski <veni@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > Hi, George.
> >
> > I've forwarded your message to PIR/ISOC. I just wonder - have you
> > approached them? It seems that the GA list is like a mailbox - anyone
> >
> > posts here, and the postman has to deal with it...
> >
> > veni
> >
> > At 09:21 PM 12.10.2006 '?.'  -0700, George Kirikos wrote:
> > >Hello,
> > >
> > >According to the .org Advisory Council Charter:
> > >
> > >http://www.pir.org/PDFs/pir_ac_charter.pdf
> > >
> > >"Section 3:... No two members of the Council will be from the same
> > >non-commercial organization."
> > >
> > >Michael Mann and Angela Stuber are both from Grassroots.org:
> > >
> > >http://www.pir.org/AboutPIR/CouncilMembers.aspx
> >
> >http://www.grassroots.org/page.ww?section=Highlights&name=Content+D 
> etail+-+Volunteer
> >
> >http://www.grassroots.org/page.ww?section=About&name=Board+of+Directors
> > >
> > >Apparently, when this was brought to the attention of PIR, instead
> > of
> > >rectifying the issue, they "did not see a problem with it".
> > >
> >
> >http://www.domainstate.com/showthread.php3?s=&postid=327276#post327276
> > >
> > >I have nothing against Grassroots.org, but perhaps ICANN and the
> > public
> > >should seriously consider whether PIR, an organization that
> > seemingly
> > >has no regard for their own charter, should be operating such an
> > >important registry as .org. Indeed, with presumptive renewal, it
> > would
> > >be next to impossible to remove a registry operator.
> > >
> > >This is yet another reason why presumptive renewal should never
> > exist
> > >in any registry agreement.
> > >
> > >Sincerely,
> > >
> > >George Kirikos
> > >http://www.kirikos.com/
> >
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Veni Markovski
> > http://www.veni.com
> >
> > check also my blog:
> > http://blog.veni.com
> >
> >
> >


Sincerely,
Veni Markovski
http://www.veni.com

check also my blog:
http://blog.veni.com