Re: [ga] If PIR is violating its own advisory charter, why do they expect to have .org renewed?

[George Kirikos <gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx>]

While some folks consider the GA list to be a "cesspool", it's the main
cross-constituency list that exists in ICANN. As such, it is secretly
monitored by most, even if they just lurk and do not post often.
Indeed, just the other day Esther Dyson graced us with a posting.

http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga/msg04933.html

Perhaps it's like the circus (everybody loves a circus!) or the traffic
accident (one can't look away!) or like the episode of Seinfeld where
they discover everybody was secretly watching "Melrose Place":

http://www.seinfeldscripts.com/TheBeard.htm

One need only post something to the GA list, and it will certainly be
heard. Whether folks choose to act on it, or engage in the usual games
of denial, that "we never knew about this" is up to them.

Sincerely,

George Kirikos
http://www.kirikos.com/

--- Veni Markovski <veni@xxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Hi, George.
> 
> I've forwarded your message to PIR/ISOC. I just wonder - have you 
> approached them? It seems that the GA list is like a mailbox - anyone
> 
> posts here, and the postman has to deal with it...
> 
> veni
> 
> At 09:21 PM 12.10.2006 '?.'  -0700, George Kirikos wrote:
> >Hello,
> >
> >According to the .org Advisory Council Charter:
> >
> >http://www.pir.org/PDFs/pir_ac_charter.pdf
> >
> >"Section 3:... No two members of the Council will be from the same
> >non-commercial organization."
> >
> >Michael Mann and Angela Stuber are both from Grassroots.org:
> >
> >http://www.pir.org/AboutPIR/CouncilMembers.aspx
>
>http://www.grassroots.org/page.ww?section=Highlights&name=Content+Detail+-+Volunteer
>
>http://www.grassroots.org/page.ww?section=About&name=Board+of+Directors
> >
> >Apparently, when this was brought to the attention of PIR, instead
> of
> >rectifying the issue, they "did not see a problem with it".
> >
>
>http://www.domainstate.com/showthread.php3?s=&postid=327276#post327276
> >
> >I have nothing against Grassroots.org, but perhaps ICANN and the
> public
> >should seriously consider whether PIR, an organization that
> seemingly
> >has no regard for their own charter, should be operating such an
> >important registry as .org. Indeed, with presumptive renewal, it
> would
> >be next to impossible to remove a registry operator.
> >
> >This is yet another reason why presumptive renewal should never
> exist
> >in any registry agreement.
> >
> >Sincerely,
> >
> >George Kirikos
> >http://www.kirikos.com/
> 
> 
> Sincerely,
> Veni Markovski
> http://www.veni.com
> 
> check also my blog:
> http://blog.veni.com
> 
> 
>