Re: [ga] Tiered (Variable) Pricing - .ORG impact and history from PIR/ISOC

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

George and all,

  Well good review here George, and also had been discussed and
hotly debated on this forum when Versign was disgorged of .ORG
and Vint amongst other BoD members were seemingly very
supportive of PIR getting the nod for the new registry for .ORG.
despite no consensus of any kind from .ORG registrants.

  Now we are seeing the complicity of such via fiat ICANN BoD
decisions and future costs to .ORG registrants.

George Kirikos wrote:

> Hello,
>
> --- Paul Stahura <stahura@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I think co.uk is not for profit too.
>
> .ca is non-profit also, and has reduced its prices over the years as
> the number of domains has risen:
>
> http://www.cira.ca/news-releases/151.html
>
> CAD $8.50 is approximately USD $7.65 at current exchange rates (1
> Canadian dollar is worth 90 cents American). The prior fees were CAD
> $10.00:
>
> http://www.cira.ca/news-releases/121.html
>
> .ca has only 730,000 domains registered, so it doesn't have the scale
> of .com or other large registries, yet it's not much more expensive at
> the wholesale level. And the Canadian dollar has risen substantially
> over the past few years, so the premium used to be even lower.
>
> Compare this non-profit with ISOC who runs the .org registry through
> PIR:
>
> If one views the ISOC budget in 2003, their annual expenses were $2.3
> million, vs. $1.7 million in 2002.
>
> http://www.isoc.org/isoc/reports/ar2003/ISOCar2003.pdf (page 31 of the
> PDF)
>
> Fast forward to 2005 (I couldn't find anything for 2006):
>
> http://www.isoc.org/isoc/fin/ISOC2005budget.pdf
>
> Total expenses = $4.9 million.
>
> Of their $5.177 million in revenues, $3.4 million came from the ".org
> surplus". That's straight out of the pocket of .org domain holders.
>
> Vint Cerf, of course, was the founding president of ISOC:
>
> http://www.google.com/corporate/execs.html#vint
>
> Fellow ICANN Board member Veni Markovski is founder of ISOC Bulgaria
> and on the current worldwide ISOC board:
>
> http://www.icann.org/biog/markovski.htm
>
> So, you can understand, with such a high percentage of the Internet
> Society's budget coming from operation of .org why they would want
> "presumptive renewal". Otherwise, when the current contract expires,
> they'd have to compete against other charitable organizations that
> would want to operate .org, putting the $3.4 million/yr ".org surplus"
> (notice it's a "surplus", not a "profit" -- political correctness....)
> at risk. And, with the elimination of price controls, they can generate
> even larger surpluses on the back of domain registrants.
>
> Sincerely,
>
> George Kirikos
> http://www.kirikos.com/

Regards,

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