Re: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz contract

["kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

And as long as the registry also makes money on domain tasting then the
disproportionate amount of deletes will never be reached. Here's a thought.
Google is the one making the most money on domain tasting due to the heavy
use of adsense on those domains. Vint, You are alright in my book, but
should you be involved in making any decisions regarding deleted domains and
domain tasting? Maybe you are already abstaining. Good for you in that case.
Wouldn't want it to appear that there is any conflict of interest there.

Chris McElroy aka NameCritic
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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Neuman, Jeff"
<Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>; "vinton g. cerf" <vint@xxxxxxxxxx>; "icann board
address" <icann-board@xxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, August 03, 2006 6:39 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz
contract


> Chris and and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
stakeholders/users,
>
>   We/you are not ever likely to get a definitive answer/definition for
> "disproportionate deletes" from ICANN or the GNSO.  But let's
> be honest, such a definitive answer/definition is nearly impossible
> to define in the context of a legal contract.  Ergo, what you/we
> can reasonably expect is that the GNSO/ICANN will leave what
> is "disproportionate deletes" to the registry as such a definitive
definition
> for "disproportionate deletes" will be a subjective decision by said
> registry and/or registries and any proposed registry contract will
> have language reflecting or stating same.
>
>
> kidsearch wrote:
>
> > still doesn't define " disproportionate deletes' or why there is any
need at
> > all for a grace period that can be abused and is obviously being abused
ata
> > much higher rate than it is benefitting users.
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:01 PM
> > Subject: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz
contract
> >
> > > FYI, this was not previously posted to the list although Danny
> > > referenced it in a previous post.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Neuman, Jeff
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:34 AM
> > > To: 'Danny Younger'
> > > Cc: jnevett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; vint@xxxxxxxxxx;
> > > Neuman, Jeff; 'John Jeffrey'
> > > Subject: RE: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz
contract
> > >
> > > Danny,
> > >
> > > I appreciate your question, but you may be making assumptions at this
> > > point that are not based in fact.  There is a reference to
> > > disproportionate deletes in both our Functional Specs (Appendix 7) and
> > > in the Registry Registrar Agreement (Appendix 8)
> > >
(http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/biz/registry-agmt-app-28jul06.pdf)
> > > , but there is no intent to charge any fees without going through
> > > ICANN's new process for registry services.
> > >
> > > In addition, I will note for the record, that this provision appears
in
> > > the already executed .net agreement and the ICANN-approved .com
> > > agreement. More specifically, they state:
> > >
> > > "Delete. If a domain is deleted within the Add Grace Period, the
> > > sponsoring Registrar at the time of the deletion is credited for the
> > > amount of the registration; provided, however, that Registry Operator
> > > shall have the right to charge Registrars a fee as set forth in its
> > > Registry-Registrar Agreement for disproportionate deletes during the
Add
> > > Grace Period."
http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/net/appendix7.html
> > > and
> > >
http://www.icann.org/topics/vrsn-settlement/revised-appendix7-clean-29ja
> > > n06.pdf
> > >
> > > Hope that help explain things.  Feel free to let me know if you have
any
> > > other questions.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
> > > Sr. Director, Law, Advanced Services  & Business Development
> > >
> > > NeuStar, Inc.
> > >
> > >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:08 AM
> > > To: Neuman, Jeff
> > > Cc: jnevett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; vint@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > Subject: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz contract
> > >
> > > Dear Jeff,
> > >
> > > The proposed .biz contract includes on page 80 the
> > > following statement:  "Fee for disproportionate
> > > deletes during Add Grace Period."
> > >
> > > The amount of the fee is not stated nor is there a
> > > definition provided of that which constitutes
> > > "disproportionate".  Can we talk about this?
> > >
> > > While I appreciate the proactive measures that you are
> > > taking to deal with the "domain tasting" epidemic, I
> > > remain of the belief that domain name policy issues
> > > are best dealt with on the basis of a community
> > > consensus-development process so that potentially
> > > impacted parties may protect their right to a fair
> > > hearing.  By enacting fees for disproportionate
> > > deletes you will be impacting certain businesses and
> > > registrars that have engaged in the domain tasting
> > > practice.  While I abhor this particular practice, I
> > > am of the view that the rights of these parties must
> > > nonetheless be respected.
> > >
> > > I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
> > >
> > > Best regards,
> > > Danny Younger
> > >
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