RE: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz contract

["Gomes, Chuck" <cgomes@xxxxxxxxxxxx>]

In my discussion with registrars in the past couple of years, some have
pointed out that the add-grace period is used to deal with fraudulent
registrations.  I don't know any details about that, but it does seem to
me like a legitimate use.

Chuck Gomes
VeriSign Information Services

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
> [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Neuman, Jeff
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:58 PM
> To: kidsearch; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Cc: vint@xxxxxxxxxx; John Jeffrey
> Subject: RE: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in 
> proposed .biz contract
> 
> You are correct that "disproportionate deletes" has not been 
> defined in
> either the proposed biz/info/org agreements or the executed .net or
> proposed .com agreements.  
> 
> That said, if and when a proposal is submitted on how to deal 
> with this
> issue through the new gTLD Registry Services process, that 
> question must
> be addressed.  I do not have a definition for you at this time, but I
> confess that we have not yet developed our proposal.
> 
> As to your question of whether a delete grace period is necessary, I
> will leave that to the ICANN Community to decide through the ICANN
> Policy Development Process.  I see both sides of the issue and agree
> that in some instances the period is being used for purposes 
> other than
> for which it was established.  However, unless and until this legacy
> requirement changes through the policy development process, we are
> obligated to offer the delete grace period.  
> 
> 
> Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq. 
> Sr. Director, Law, Advanced Services  & Business Development 
> 
> NeuStar, Inc. 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: kidsearch [mailto:kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] 
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:41 PM
> To: Neuman, Jeff; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in 
> proposed .biz
> contract
> 
> still doesn't define " disproportionate deletes' or why there is any
> need at
> all for a grace period that can be abused and is obviously 
> being abused
> ata
> much higher rate than it is benefitting users.
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Neuman, Jeff" <Jeff.Neuman@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 4:01 PM
> Subject: [ga] FW: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz
> contract
> 
> 
> > FYI, this was not previously posted to the list although Danny
> > referenced it in a previous post.
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Neuman, Jeff
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:34 AM
> > To: 'Danny Younger'
> > Cc: jnevett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; 
> vint@xxxxxxxxxx;
> > Neuman, Jeff; 'John Jeffrey'
> > Subject: RE: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz
> contract
> >
> > Danny,
> >
> > I appreciate your question, but you may be making 
> assumptions at this
> > point that are not based in fact.  There is a reference to
> > disproportionate deletes in both our Functional Specs 
> (Appendix 7) and
> > in the Registry Registrar Agreement (Appendix 8)
> >
> (http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/biz/registry-agmt-app-28
> jul06.pdf)
> > , but there is no intent to charge any fees without going through
> > ICANN's new process for registry services.
> >
> > In addition, I will note for the record, that this provision appears
> in
> > the already executed .net agreement and the ICANN-approved .com
> > agreement. More specifically, they state:
> >
> > "Delete. If a domain is deleted within the Add Grace Period, the
> > sponsoring Registrar at the time of the deletion is credited for the
> > amount of the registration; provided, however, that 
> Registry Operator
> > shall have the right to charge Registrars a fee as set forth in its
> > Registry-Registrar Agreement for disproportionate deletes during the
> Add
> > Grace Period."
> http://www.icann.org/tlds/agreements/net/appendix7.html
> > and
> >
> http://www.icann.org/topics/vrsn-settlement/revised-appendix7-
> clean-29ja
> > n06.pdf
> >
> > Hope that help explain things.  Feel free to let me know if you have
> any
> > other questions.
> >
> >
> >
> > Jeffrey J. Neuman, Esq.
> > Sr. Director, Law, Advanced Services  & Business Development
> >
> > NeuStar, Inc.
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Danny Younger [mailto:dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx]
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 02, 2006 11:08 AM
> > To: Neuman, Jeff
> > Cc: jnevett@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx; vint@xxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Fee for disproportionate deletes in proposed .biz contract
> >
> > Dear Jeff,
> >
> > The proposed .biz contract includes on page 80 the
> > following statement:  "Fee for disproportionate
> > deletes during Add Grace Period."
> >
> > The amount of the fee is not stated nor is there a
> > definition provided of that which constitutes
> > "disproportionate".  Can we talk about this?
> >
> > While I appreciate the proactive measures that you are
> > taking to deal with the "domain tasting" epidemic, I
> > remain of the belief that domain name policy issues
> > are best dealt with on the basis of a community
> > consensus-development process so that potentially
> > impacted parties may protect their right to a fair
> > hearing.  By enacting fees for disproportionate
> > deletes you will be impacting certain businesses and
> > registrars that have engaged in the domain tasting
> > practice.  While I abhor this particular practice, I
> > am of the view that the rights of these parties must
> > nonetheless be respected.
> >
> > I would appreciate your thoughts on the matter.
> >
> > Best regards,
> > Danny Younger
> >
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