Re: [ga] Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn

["kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

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----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Cc: "General Assembly of the DNSO" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "james tierney"
<james.tierney@xxxxxxxxx>; "Kathy Smith" <KSMITH@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "aba isc
list" <ST-ISC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg Abbott" <greg.abbott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Thursday, May 11, 2006 2:01 AM
Subject: Re: [ga] Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn


> Chris and all,
>
>   No I wasn't testing you or anyone else at all Chris.
>
>   Your rebuttal fails to take into account or consider the central
> theme, which is in the subject line as is what the article was actually
> talking about, which is; "Google Sued for Allegedly *Profiting* From
> Child Porn", not creating it.  Ergo also Ford and GM *Profited* from
> weak safety regulations, skirting same, and violated other safety
> regulations at what they knew before a single vehicle was sold of
> same, and were rightly sued accordingly...

They still PRODUCED the offending product. Google does not. Still apples and
oranges.

>
>   Google know full well far in advance that "Child Porn" is bad and
> in some instances is a criminal activity, is yet still willing to *Profit*
from
> it.  Hence Google is rightly at least being sued accordingly...

You have to PROVE the word "willing" They would have to have the INTENT to
distribute child porn to be liable. If they have taken "reasonable" steps to
filter it out or can show they have deleted accounts that contain illegal
material, then they have proven they have taken "reasonable" steps to filter
it out.
>
>   For the record, there are many different kinds of apples, it seems
> that perhaps the "Google apple" has the most worms in the search
> engine industry... >;)  It seems that eradication of at least some of
> these Worms from the "Google apple" is necessary or desirable
> in order for such an apple to be reasonably publicly palatable...

The lawsuit is a reach at best. It has no chance of success. Google has deep
pockets and that makes them a target.

Personally I think google's days as #1 search engine are numbered because
they focus too much on quantity and not quality. They want the MOST results,
the BIGGEST database.

MSN, AOL, and Yahoo traffic has been much more targeted recently and
converts to action better than google traffic. People want relative results
not the most results. Who checks the 100,000th page of results anyway?
So I'm not a big defender of google, not a fan, but the lawsuit is still
garbage and worse yet, political garbage.

>
> kidsearch wrote:
>
> > Yes, but they actually had their hands on those things and produced
them.
> > They have never been successfully sued because a bank robber used their
cars
> > in a getaway or kidnappers using their vehicles to kidnap, or
carjackings
> > taking place because their cars are so desirable.
> >
> > So, you just did an apples and oranges comparison. Google doesn't
produce
> > the child porn like gm produced the faulty parts.
> >
> > This legal battle is one google wins easily. Save this email and refer
back
> > to it later, Jeff.
> >
> > You were just testing me to see if I'd notice the apples from the
oranges
> > right Jeff?
> >
> > Chris McElroy AKA NameCritic
> > http://www.ThingsThatJustPissMeOff.com
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > To: "kidsearch" <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Cc: "General Assembly of the DNSO" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "james tierney"
> > <james.tierney@xxxxxxxxx>; "Kathy Smith" <KSMITH@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "aba isc
> > list" <ST-ISC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>; "Greg Abbott"
<greg.abbott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 10, 2006 5:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [ga] Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn
> >
> > > Chris and all,
> > >
> > > Wasn't general motors successfully sued for faulty gas tank placement?
> > > Wasn't general motors also successfully sued for improper safety
designs
> > > in the Corvair, a la Ralp Nader?
> > > Wasn't Ford also successfully sued for faulty gas tank placement in
> > > both ford pinto and more recently for faulty gas tank placement
> > > with the ford "Grand V"?  I believe so...
> > >
> > > kidsearch wrote:
> > >
> > > > Thats like blaming general motors for the kidnapping of a child
because
> > he
> > > > used a chevy van.
> > > >
> > > > Politician looking to capitalize on publicity being generated by the
> > justice
> > > > department recently over child porn and a law firm that sues for
> > everything
> > > > so they can make a buck.
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jeff Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > To: "General Assembly of the DNSO" <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Cc: "james tierney" <james.tierney@xxxxxxxxx>; "Kathy Smith"
> > > > <KSMITH@xxxxxxxxxxxx>; "aba isc list" <ST-ISC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>;
"Greg
> > > > Abbott" <greg.abbott@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > > > Sent: Monday, May 08, 2006 4:43 AM
> > > > Subject: [ga] Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn
> > > >
> > > > > All,
> > > > >
> > > > > Google Sued for Allegedly Profiting From Child Porn
> > > > > See:
> > > > >
> > > >
> >
http://news.com.com/Suit+accuses+Google+of+profiting+from+child+porn/2100-1030_3-6069014.html
> > > > >
> > > > > One has to wonder and I believe question how DOC/NTIA and
> > > > > DOJ can continue to support some members of the ICANN BoD,
> > > > > whom are directly involved/employed by Google given this saga
> > > > > of miscreant behavior...???
> > > > >
> > > > > Regards,
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Jeffrey A. Williams
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> > > > >
> > > > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
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> > > --
> > > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
> > > "Obediance of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> > >    Abraham Lincoln
> > >
> > > "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> > > very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
> > >
> > > "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> > > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> > > P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> > > United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> > > ===============================================================
> > > Updated 1/26/04
> > > CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> > > IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
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> > >
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
>    Abraham Lincoln
>
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> ===============================================================
> Updated 1/26/04
> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
> E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>  Registered Email addr with the USPS
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827
>
>