Re: [ga] lawyers

[Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>]

    Oops.
   
  I was living and speaking of the real world. I get not gang protection unless i pay for it. My streets do not even get paved unless i get a councilwomen over here for a convention of constituents. Cleaning of property, forget about it.
  i live ten miles from the largest border crossing in the world. We call food stamps "gravitas". Demand is soooo met, Pedros delivers my produce to my door for free and ten percent off wholesale -- ok it is old produce, but every now an then i get a ripe one.
  The apartmentes accross from me are becoming condos and my adoptive Hopi grandma is thinking of convertiing her four units, that she has lived in since the 70s.
  They call this progress and the net is behind my property values. (take "behind" anyway you can get it) 
   
  friends the net reflects our life. Love it or leave it as us old hippies used to say.
  Dang, i think Postal was one of us.
   
  e
   
  

kidsearch <kidsearch@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
          Sorry, I definitely disagree. Demand is far from being met. It is not fair business practice to have few tlds where a few companies/people get short one word domain names while the rest must settle for two and in most cases three word domain names. By limiting space with few tlds, ICANN makes the decision that businesses that were in existance at a certain point in time shall have an advantage over any business created at a later time.
   
  As a city grows, more streets get paved and more buildings get built allowing for more businesses to get good locations, more corner lots if you will. As name space expands ICANN wants businesses to continue to build upward and not outward. They leave new businesses the equivalent of existing on the third and fourth levels vs having a groundfloor storefront.
   
  While this might be a good New York or Tokyo scenario, for the rest of the world it's unacceptable. Cities grow outward to allow for more development. TLD space needs to grow outward to meet the same demand. Cities that stifle development and that are not business friendly find their economy in ruin before too long. Cities that do their best to offer more development opportunities to businesses ie corner lots, breaks in certain costs, etc., prosper.
   
  It would be uncommon for a city to tell a new business, nope can build on that lot, you have to build onto existing buildings above your competitors, so that they have the ground floor and your customers must walk past your competitors to get to where you are. That is the analogy. If you own design.com already, I must get something like webdesign.com (a 2nd floor location), the next business must get something like websitedesign.com, (3rd floor), the next few businesses can share the 4th floor with greatwebsitedesign.com, websitedesignplanet.com, etc. Others will get the 5th floor with even longer names as new businesses come to the web.
   
  You might say well they only need their business name for their website and that should be easy to get. I would answer that many businesses have the same name and in addition to that, generic keywords in domain names are an advantage to only having your business name as a domain name. People are not searching the web for you, but they do search for what service or product you sell.
   
  ICANN is currently forcing an unfair disadvantage to new business owners and to people new to the web by not allowing them to get good, short domain names for their personal or business use. Not allowing new tlds to be created is an unfair business practice and a restraint to free trade. It is also anti-free enterprise because they are telling me I cannot go into the domain name selling business and that only a few businesses they have selected can do so. They may also be in violation of laws written to avoid monopolies.
   
  Chris McElroy
  http://www.affiliatewebsitedesign.com (a 3rd floor location, when what I want is the opportunity to have a location on the ground floor, in a new neighborhood)
   
    ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Hugh Dierker 
  To: Jeff Williams 
  Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ; icann board address 
  Sent: Friday, January 13, 2006 5:58 AM
  Subject: Re: [ga] lawyers
  

  Bullshi---
   
  All demand is met. And prices are what they are i do not lie.
   
  When i was a young man in court, i would say "what if" , great for jurors and ridiculous for planners. "Prognosticate disaster and it is yours." Some guy named Dierker said that back in 2000. "Diagnose the problem and predict the metabolic repetitiveness's of that disease and there is a good shot you can beat it". some Yankee named Dierker said that in 2001.
   
  "Yesterday is important, to configurate the action of your opponent tomorrow" otherwise it is footsteps in the sand on a California beach. Same Dierker 1995.
   
  "Learn from the past, do not dwell on it"  I think doctor dierker got his point across.
   
  e

Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
  Dr. Dierker and all former DNSO GA members other interested
stakeholders/users,

Hummm? Interesting response. Unfortunately not entirely accurate as
to substance.

I believe Dr. Dierker that according to the recently signed
verisign/ICANN
agreement, domain names in .com will be going up significantly over the
next 7 years. As such it seems a reasonable business decision for other

registries to follow suit at some point even if they do lag in doing so.

There are indeed more new TLD's than ever before, but is the few
that have been added, meet the demand or the free market? No, if
the desire to have "Rounds" for adding new TLD's is a free market
approach than P.T. Barnum was right when he said: "lawyers are
like politicians, they all lie, they just do so with remarkable
dexterity".
Chew on that one for awhile...



Hugh Dierker wrote:

> No clear agenda. I just! read a position paper by a guy named howard
> dean and it surely had a lot of vitriolic stuff about how bad the USA
> is, but i did not see any agenda of his own. Hate this and hate that;
> is kind of a queer platform. I see the same here. Hate this and hate
> that but no new agenda.
> Tunis proved that trying to be blind as to nasty thug dictators
> makes you look like a fool, how many reporters arrested, beaten and
> deported? guess what we don't even know because there is no freedom of
> the press or speech in Tunis. Yet that is where these world bodies
> hold meetings because they hate the USA?
> Just then move it to hating ICANN. Why. Because there are now more
> gTLDs than before?, Because the price is going down on domain names?.
> Because the internet is more accessable every day to shoeshine boys
> and grandparents and schools? Because untold millions will make untold
> billions from it th! is year? I do not see the downside folks. Just look
> at the work Karl has told us he is doing. Look at the openness and
> transparency Danny created just by asking. Look at the huge progress
> made in the world of ccTLDs.
> These things were made possible by allowing ICANN to exist in the
> only country in the world that leaves some things alone. We don't tax
> it, we don't regulate it and most important we don't own it. Quasi
> governmental or not, ICANN is run by a bunch of internationally found
> dudes and dudettes doing the best the can and flying around the world
> on a horribly limitted budget and enjoying exotic locations. What
> could be better? Do you really expect the starving masses to rise up
> in a coalesced rebellion against such splendor? Heck ICANN is not even
> a governing body but a coordinating one. Next you will want to execute
> your wedding coordinator because you got divorced after ! 10 good years.
>
> ICANN must get to work on helping to set up standards (not enforce
> them) and to set up systems so they may benefit from the needs and
> wisdom of users. Thats all.
>
> e
>
> Jeff Williams wrote:
> Jefsey and all former DNS GA members or other interested
> stakeholders/users,
>
> It is clear that from Jefsey's and Joop's comments and the tone of
> same,
> that their anti american tendencies are clear, but misrepresent the
> actual
> facts and/or at least are a personal view of the events and issues
> regarding
> ICANN's BoD makeup which is truly international. The fact that these
> BoD members were not elected by stakeholders/users does indicate
> . error in judgment on the part of DOC/NTIA. None the less these
> BoD members represent BoD seats and as such, have a responsibility
> that is either implied or ac! tual to the stakeholders/users of the
> countries
> in which they are natives of as well as the stakeholders/users as a
> whole
>
> regardless of national origin.
>
> Tunis proved and settled nothing and mostly served as a sounding
> board for grievances that are in some instances legitimate and in
> others
> are not. So the circle has been formed yet again, the entrenchment
> of positions remains by in large, the same.
>
> It seems these days that anti-americanism has become popular
> sport for media and political types with little substance but with
> considerable disturbance. Such is not very productive if their
> arguments and issues are not substantive and addressed in
> a manner that provides for arriving at solutions. Yet, ICANN
> has been so entrenched in it's direction as to ignore many of
> what it knows are issues that need resolution, not more continued
&! gt; debate and discussion. The time is at least now, if not already
> gone to address and implement necessary changes in how ICANN
> works and whom it works for.
>
> M. Morfin wrote:
>
> > At 09:12 10/01/2006, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > >Maybe I'm naive, but I believe that the Clinton administration,
> > >possibly because it did not foresee the speedy growth in
> > >importance-for-everything of the Internet, was genuinely interested
>
> > >in devolving things like the IANA function out of its own hands and
>
> > >into the hands of an industry-led cabal in which it would retain
> > >sufficient influence. It was both in the Administration's and
> > >ICANN's interest to leave the question of where the buck ultimately
>
> > >stops as unanswered as possible.
> >
> > Joop,
> > you are not naive. You are not considering the national interests.
> > The Internet is the national packet switch network the USA missed.
> It
> > was established after the deregulation and benefited from the
> removal
> > of the national protections offered by the monopolies, as US trade
> > first benefited from the drop of customs rights. Because the USA
> > were a key piece of the world jigsaw. The difference between the
> > Democrat and Republican administration over international relations
> > and protectionism is immemorial. They both aim at the best US
> > interest in very similar ways under two similar flavors.
> >
> > Tunis clarified the things. The Internationalized Internet is the US
>
> > Global network, under the control of the USG through ICANN. RFC 3935
>
> > is clear about this which defines the role of the IETF. The Internet
>
> > is defined i! n the same way as by 47 USC 230 (f)(1) (the digital
> > ecosystem) and the role of the IETF is to "influence" those who
> > "design, use, manage" it. The Tunis deal gives the world and the USA
>
> > five, and more probably ten, years to converge their vision into a
> > Global Multinational System concatenating all the private, national,
>
> > regional, corporate, etc. networks through the International Network
>
> > to be discussed by the IGF. This results from the acknowledgment
> that
> > the US part is not anymore the core of the world jigsaw.
> >
> > Will this succeed? I do not know. But it has the merit to clearly
> > state that ICANN is an US International Agency in charge of an
> > International US System. That ICANN is welcome to share into the
> > IGF. That we will see progressively the emergence of several
> > International Nationa! l Network Systems. If they merge into a single
> > International Network we will have cross-connectivity, otherwise we
> > will have balkanization.
> >
> > IMHO the only way we can avoid balkanization is to accept that the
> > core of the network is not anymore the USA, but also not anymore the
>
> > other States, but the user. A really long way to go for the
> IAB/IETF,
> > for ICANN and work ahead for developers.
> >
> > jfc
>
> Regards,
>
> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
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Jeffrey A. Williams
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"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Registered Email addr with the USPS
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