Re: [ga] lawyers

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Dr. Dierker and all former DNSO GA members or other interested
stakeholders/users,

If as you purport that all demand is met, why prey tell isn't .web for
example
not a gTLD today?  Need I elaborate further?

Hugh Dierker wrote:

>   Bullshi---
>
>   All demand is met. And prices are what they are i do not lie.
>
>   When i was a young man in court, i would say "what if" , great for
> jurors and ridiculous for planners. "Prognosticate disaster and it is
> yours." Some guy named Dierker said that back in 2000. "Diagnose the
> problem and predict the metabolic repetitiveness's of that disease and
> there is a good shot you can beat it". some Yankee named Dierker said
> that in 2001.
>
>   "Yesterday is important, to configurate the action of your opponent
> tomorrow" otherwise it is footsteps in the sand on a California beach.
> Same Dierker 1995.
>
>   "Learn from the past, do not dwell on it"  I think doctor dierker
> got his point across.
>
>   e
>
> Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>   Dr. Dierker and all former DNSO GA members other interested
> stakeholders/users,
>
> Hummm? Interesting response. Unfortunately not entirely accurate as
> to substance.
>
> I believe Dr. Dierker that according to the recently signed
> verisign/ICANN
> agreement, domain names in .com will be going up significantly over
> the
> next 7 years. As such it seems a reasonable business decision for
> other
>
> registries to follow suit at some point even if they do lag in doing
> so.
>
> There are indeed more new TLD's than ever before, but is the few
> that have been added, meet the demand or the free market? No, if
> the desire to have "Rounds" for adding new TLD's is a free market
> approach than P.T. Barnum was right when he said: "lawyers are
> like politicians, they all lie, they just do so with remarkable
> dexterity".
> Chew on that one for awhile...
>
>
>
> Hugh Dierker wrote:
>
> > No clear agenda. I just read a position paper by a guy named howard
> > dean and it surely had a lot of vitriolic stuff about how bad the
> USA
> > is, but i did not see any agenda of his own. Hate this and hate
> that;
> > is kind of a queer platform. I see the same here. Hate this and hate
>
> > that but no new agenda.
> > Tunis proved that trying to be blind as to nasty thug dictators
> > makes you look like a fool, how many reporters arrested, beaten and
> > deported? guess what we don't even know because there is no freedom
> of
> > the press or speech in Tunis. Yet that is where these world bodies
> > hold meetings because they hate the USA?
> > Just then move it to hating ICANN. Why. Because there are now more
> > gTLDs than before?, Because the price is going down on domain
> names?.
> > Because the internet is more accessable every day to shoeshine boys
> > and grandparents and schools? Because untold millions will make
> untold
> > billions from it this year? I do not see the downside folks. Just
> look
> > at the work Karl has told us he is doing. Look at the openness and
> > transparency Danny created just by asking. Look at the huge progress
>
> > made in the world of ccTLDs.
> > These things were made possible by allowing ICANN to exist in the
> > only country in the world that leaves some things alone. We don't
> tax
> > it, we don't regulate it and most important we don't own it. Quasi
> > governmental or not, ICANN is run by a bunch of internationally
> found
> > dudes and dudettes doing the best the can and flying around the
> world
> > on a horribly limitted budget and enjoying exotic locations. What
> > could be better? Do you really expect the starving masses to rise up
>
> > in a coalesced rebellion against such splendor? Heck ICANN is not
> even
> > a governing body but a coordinating one. Next you will want to
> execute
> > your wedding coordinator because you got divorced after 10 good
> years.
> >
> > ICANN must get to work on helping to set up standards (not enforce
> > them) and to set up systems so they may benefit from the needs and
> > wisdom of users. Thats all.
> >
> > e
> >
> > Jeff Williams wrote:
> > Jefsey and all former DNS GA members or other interested
> > stakeholders/users,
> >
> > It is clear that from Jefsey's and Joop's comments and the tone of
> > same,
> > that their anti american tendencies are clear, but misrepresent the
> > actual
> > facts and/or at least are a personal view of the events and issues
> > regarding
> > ICANN's BoD makeup which is truly international. The fact that these
>
> > BoD members were not elected by stakeholders/users does indicate
> > . error in judgment on the part of DOC/NTIA. None the less these
> > BoD members represent BoD seats and as such, have a responsibility
> > that is either implied or actual to the stakeholders/users of the
> > countries
> > in which they are natives of as well as the stakeholders/users as a
> > whole
> >
> > regardless of national origin.
> >
> > Tunis proved and settled nothing and mostly served as a sounding
> > board for grievances that are in some instances legitimate and in
> > others
> > are not. So the circle has been formed yet again, the entrenchment
> > of positions remains by in large, the same.
> >
> > It seems these days that anti-americanism has become popular
> > sport for media and political types with little substance but with
> > considerable disturbance. Such is not very productive if their
> > arguments and issues are not substantive and addressed in
> > a manner that provides for arriving at solutions. Yet, ICANN
> > has been so entrenched in it's direction as to ignore many of
> > what it knows are issues that need resolution, not more continued
> > debate and discussion. The time is at least now, if not already
> > gone to address and implement necessary changes in how ICANN
> > works and whom it works for.
> >
> > M. Morfin wrote:
> >
> > > At 09:12 10/01/2006, Joop Teernstra wrote:
> > > >Maybe I'm naive, but I believe that the Clinton administration,
> > > >possibly because it did not foresee the speedy growth in
> > > >importance-for-everything of the Internet, was genuinely
> interested
> >
> > > >in devolving things like the IANA function out of its own hands
> and
> >
> > > >into the hands of an industry-led cabal in which it would retain
> > > >sufficient influence. It was both in the Administration's and
> > > >ICANN's interest to leave the question of where the buck
> ultimately
> >
> > > >stops as unanswered as possible.
> > >
> > > Joop,
> > > you are not naive. You are not considering the national interests.
>
> > > The Internet is the national packet switch network the USA missed.
>
> > It
> > > was established after the deregulation and benefited from the
> > removal
> > > of the national protections offered by the monopolies, as US trade
>
> > > first benefited from the drop of customs rights. Because the USA
> > > were a key piece of the world jigsaw. The difference between the
> > > Democrat and Republican administration over international
> relations
> > > and protectionism is immemorial. They both aim at the best US
> > > interest in very similar ways under two similar flavors.
> > >
> > > Tunis clarified the things. The Internationalized Internet is the
> US
> >
> > > Global network, under the control of the USG through ICANN. RFC
> 3935
> >
> > > is clear about this which defines the role of the IETF. The
> Internet
> >
> > > is defined in the same way as by 47 USC 230 (f)(1) (the digital
> > > ecosystem) and the role of the IETF is to "influence" those who
> > > "design, use, manage" it. The Tunis deal gives the world and the
> USA
> >
> > > five, and more probably ten, years to converge their vision into a
>
> > > Global Multinational System concatenating all the private,
> national,
> >
> > > regional, corporate, etc. networks through the International
> Network
> >
> > > to be discussed by the IGF. This results from the acknowledgment
> > that
> > > the US part is not anymore the core of the world jigsaw.
> > >
> > > Will this succeed? I do not know. But it has the merit to clearly
> > > state that ICANN is an US International Agency in charge of an
> > > International US System. That ICANN is welcome to share into the
> > > IGF. That we will see progressively the emergence of several
> > > International National Network Systems. If they merge into a
> single
> > > International Network we will have cross-connectivity, otherwise
> we
> > > will have balkanization.
> > >
> > > IMHO the only way we can avoid balkanization is to accept that the
>
> > > core of the network is not anymore the USA, but also not anymore
> the
> >
> > > other States, but the user. A really long way to go for the
> > IAB/IETF,
> > > for ICANN and work ahead for developers.
> > >
> > > jfc
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > --
> > Jeffrey A. Williams
> > Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders
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> > liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
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> > United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
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> Regards,
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> --
> Jeffrey A. Williams
> Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
>
> "Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
> Abraham Lincoln
>
> "Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
> very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt
>
> "If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
> liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
> P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
> United States v. Carroll Towing (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
> ===============================================================
> Updated 1/26/04
> CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
> IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng. INEG. INC.
> ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
> E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Registered Email addr with the USPS
> Contact Number: 214-244-4827
>
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Regards,
--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
ABA member in good standing member ID 01257402
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827