Re: [ga] RE: IDNs & the GNSO New TLD PDP

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Vint and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,

First let me say thank you for your prompt and concise response here
Vint.

I agree with your analysis.  However, isn't detecting
potential collisions a technical concern and therefore
within ICANN's purview as well as a good technical
criterion as Karl has previously pointed out, for such
applications for IDN's?  And if so, why should coordination
be a concern if prevention during the submittal review
process should cover detecting potential collisions?

I also seem to recall that .biz was a collision that was
caused by ICANN...

Vint Cerf wrote:

> If we were to pursue this course, one would expect each ccTLD to make a
> selection, where appropriate;  ICANN would be responsible for detecting
> potential collisions and coordinating to eliminate them.  Some ccTLD
> operators would not need an IDN TLD if the existing one suited the local
> language/script.
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jeff Williams [mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Thursday, December 15, 2005 5:14 AM
> To: Danny Younger
> Cc: Vint Cerf; ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: [ga] RE: IDNs & the GNSO New TLD PDP
>
> Danny and all former DNSO GA members or other interested stakeholders/users,
>
> The answer to Danny's questioin is ICANN.
>
> Danny Younger wrote:
>
> > Vint,
> >
> > on the topic of upper bounds for IDN TLDs, if "for the present the
> > suggested number is one" then I would think that selection criteria
> > becomes rather important
> > -- what type of IDN gets selected (and who makes that selection, the
> > registry operator or ICANN)?.
> >
> > I recall the Discussion Paper on Non-ASCII Top-Level Domain Policy
> > Issues that identified categories of potential TLD strings based on
> > the semantic meaning of the string itself:
> >
> > 1. Semantic association with Geographic Units 2. Semantic association
> > with Languages 3. Semantic association with Cultural Groups or
> > Ethnicities 4. Semantic association with Existing Sponsored TLDs 5.
> > Semantic association with Existing Unsponsored TLDs
> >
> > 6. Everything else.
> >
> > http://www.icann.org/committees/idn/non-ascii-tld-paper.htm
> >
> > Do you recall whether this earlier IDN Committee made any specific
> > recommendations as to the best way forward?  Sorry, I couldn't find
> > their follow-up work.
> >
> > --- Vint Cerf <vint@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> >
> > >  Danny,
> > >
> > > I think the IDN matter splits into several parts.
> > > For gTLDs, IDNs are
> > > potentially much harder to solve. There might be more than one
> > > French restriction table developed by France, Senegal, Canada where
> > > potentially different dialects of French are spoken. To take Canada
> > > for example, it could conceivably have a single TLD (.CA) and have a
> > > restriction table for French (if one is needed) as it is written in
> > > Canada for registrations in .CA. The restriction table might differ
> > > from the one developed by France or Senegal. A gTLD, such as .info,
> > > might have to choose among several possible tables or develop its
> > > own for registrations in French.
> > >
> > > For ccTLDs, then, it would appear valuable for all those ccTLDs who
> > > wish to accept registrations in a given script and language, to work
> > > together as the Chines, Japanese and Koreans have. They developed a
> > > common CJK plan.
> > >
> > > I did not intend in my earlier remarks to suggest that the ccTLD
> > > operators has to comply with the ICANN contract for gLTDs. I only
> > > meant that the new gTLD process should include provision for
> > > non-Roman scripts (ie IDNs). I agree with you that the ccNSO should
> > > take up the question of IDNs for themselves. I also think that it is
> > > important to place an upper bound on the allowed number of
> > > additional TLDs using non-Roman scripts. For the present the
> > > suggested number is one.
> > >
> > > This won't quite satisfy all needs since some countries have more
> > > than one official language and many may want registrations in other
> > > unofficial languages that are widely in use. In the US, where
> > > English is the official language, there is a considerable spanish
> > > speaking population, for example.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Vinton G Cerf
> > > Chief Internet Evangelist
> > > Google/Regus
> > > Suite 384
> > > 13800 Coppermine Road
> > > Herndon, VA 20171
> > >
> > > +1 703 234-1823
> > > +1 703-234-5822 (f)
> > >
> > > vint@xxxxxxxxxx
> > > www.google.com
> > >
> >
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>
> --
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Regards,

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Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Obedience of the law is the greatest freedom" -
   Abraham Lincoln

"Credit should go with the performance of duty and not with what is
very often the accident of glory" - Theodore Roosevelt

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
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IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
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E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
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