[ga] Niue Redelegation Activities

[Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>]

Roberto,

Please refer to the following document with thoroughly
discusses Niue's efforts with respect to redelegation:

http://www.itu.int/itudoc/itu-t/workshop/cctld/cctld057.pdf

Of course, as you say, the IANA knew nothing about
this...




--- Roberto Gaetano <alac_liaison@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Danny,
> 
> Of course, we might have taken the wrong decision,
> and if this is the case, 
> as I said in the previous message, it can be undone
> once we have the 
> evidence.
> 
> I would like to be clear that all what we can do to
> perform due diligence is 
> to evaluate documents available, we cannot go to the
> point of sending people 
> over to check the situation directly.
> And, as I said previously, there are documents who
> support the presence, and 
> complaints.
> Among the documents supporting the presence there is
> a folder documenting 
> what has been done with money originating from the
> .nu business to build, 
> among other things, an infrastructure that was not
> existing at all. In other 
> words, in my own impression, the internet community
> in Niue would not have 
> existed at all without Bill Semich. Of course, he
> might be doing this for 
> his business interest, not for filantropy, but I do
> believe that to be 
> besides the point.
> As for the complaints of the government, it is clear
> to me that they are 
> part of a negotiation to get a higher (fairer?)
> share of the cake, but this 
> is, still IMHO, an internal problem of Niue, where
> it would remain to be 
> seen whether the internet users are benefitting (as
> internet users, not as 
> citizen of Niue) more from a shift of the .nu in
> government hands. That this 
> is a political game and not a serious attempt to
> acquire control is evident 
> from the fact that IANA (and I double-checked today,
> to be sure) has *never* 
> received a request for redelegation, not even
> informal questions about the 
> procedure.
> 
> Again, rest assured that, should ALAC have evidence
> of the Internet Society 
> of Niue not being representative of the interest of
> the local internet 
> community, we would go to a new evaluation and vote
> for de-certification.
> 
> Maybe soon in Vancouver?
> Ciao,
> Roberto GAETANO
> ALAC
> ICANN BoD Liaison
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>
> >To: alac_liaison@xxxxxxxxxxx, aizu@xxxxxxx,
> vb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >CC: alac@xxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >Subject: Re: [alac] Re: [ga] More ALAC Follies
> >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 08:45:03 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >Roberto,
> >
> >The Niue government website details the following:
> >
> >"We will continue to pursue the .NU issue. We
> maintain
> >our policy of seeking a fair return from our domain
> >name managers, IUSN, from the many millions they
> >continue to earn from this Niue taoga, on an annual
> >basis.  The catchphrase that they continue to use,
> of
> >?free internet?, is in fact a service that has an
> >opportunity cost, measured in millions annually, in
> >lost revenues to all of us in Niue.  Our desire as
> a
> >government is to negotiate a fair distribution of
> the
> >revenues earned by the managers of the Niue domain
> >name .NU.
> >
> >Mr Speaker, and honourable members it is perhaps a
> >measure of these businessmen that they have made no
> >contribution whatsoever to any of our cyclone
> recovery
> >efforts at all.    This lack of common decency,
> good
> >faith and civic and moral responsibility to Niue
> >epitomises the way in which the .NU domain managers
> >have treated Niue since a Memorandum of
> Understanding
> >was signed in 1999.    That agreement as they have
> >pointed out to us, is a partnership, but it lacks
> many
> >things, one of which is a fair share of the domain
> >name registration profits."
> >
> >I'm not concerned about whether the Internet Users
> >Society Niue "interacts" with the user community
> (all
> >businesses interact with their consumer base), but
> >rather whether this business group actually "is"
> the
> >Niue users or is it merely a device created by Bill
> >Semich's marketing department to create the
> illusion
> >of a users group.
> >
> >When I attended the Melbourne session I spoke with
> >people from Niue that were opposed to the way the
> .nu
> >domain was being managed.  It seems like that
> >opposition continues unabated, and that the real
> users
> >in that community are still getting screwed.
> >
> >So, have you certified a genuine users group, or
> have
> >you been duped into certifying the wolf in sheep's
> >cothing -- a supplier group?
> >
> >
> >
> >--- Roberto Gaetano <alac_liaison@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Danny,
> > > [since you included the ga in your comment,
> please
> > > forward to the ga also my
> > > reply]
> > >
> > > Due diligence was performed. That included also
> > > documentation from the
> > > government of niue (see http://www.gov.nu/). Of
> > > course, like in almost every
> > > situation, you have elements for and against,
> and
> > > then make a decision. It
> > > is clear that, should in the future the picture
> > > change, and should elements
> > > against prevail, there's a mechanism for
> > > de-certification.
> > >
> > > I guess the point is that we need to concentrate
> on
> > > whether the Internet
> > > Users Society - Niue (http://www.niue.nu/) does
> > > interact with the user
> > > community of the island, which it does.
> > > I am sure that Bill Semich runs the operation
> like a
> > > business, I had
> > > contacts with him since before ICANN, and the
> fact
> > > that the government of
> > > Niue feels to have the right to get control over
> the
> > > registry is completely
> > > besides the point, IMHO: it is matter for IANA
> and
> > > the GAC, but not ALAC.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Roberto GAETANO
> > > ALAC
> > > ICANN BoD Liaison
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > >From: Danny Younger <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > >To: aizu@xxxxxxx, alac_liaison@xxxxxxxxxxx,
> > > vb@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >CC: alac@xxxxxxxxx, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > > >Subject: Re: [alac] RE: [alac-admin] Re: [ga]
> More
> > > ALAC Follies
> > > >Date: Sun, 27 Nov 2005 06:56:01 -0800 (PST)
> > > >
> > > >Izumi,
> > > >
> > > >The big question is this:  Has the ALAC been
> > > >manipulated?  Does the Internet Users Society -
> > > Niue
> > > >actually represent the interests of the
> island's
> > > users
> > > >or is it merely a "front" for a pornographic
> > > empire?
> 
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