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Re: [ga] America at Large also denied ALS status

  • To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Subject: Re: [ga] America at Large also denied ALS status
  • From: "Roberto Gaetano" <ploki_xyz@xxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 17:05:38 +0000
  • Cc: mike@xxxxxxxxxx
  • In-reply-to: <001101c5bbbf$5ba9ced0$2a30fd3e@richard>
  • Sender: owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
I don't want to get into the debate, on which I hold an opinion that is different from the one of Richard, but only bring to this list an element of fact.

While the application of Danny Younger was consciously rejected because the ALAC, or at least large part of it, thought it was not fulfilling the requirements, the rejection of the America at Large application was due only to the fact that some members did not vote in the required window of time, therefore not allowing a qualified majority to vote in favour.
To be honest, I feel terribly embarassed to have to report this: I don't think that it is at all acceptable that an organization fails to obtain a quorum on an email vote. However, the only action ALAC can take at this time is to accept the verdict, and prepare a proposal for changing the bylaws allowing the qualified majority of the members actually casting the vote, as opposed of the qualified majority of the members having the right to vote, be necessary for approval. At that point, I would recommend them to resubmit the application.

Incidentally, I still think that an application by the GA would be a *good thing*, and would be accepted (maybe with the modified bylaws would be safer).

Regards,
Roberto


From: "Richard Henderson" <richardhenderson@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
To: "Danny Younger" <dannyyounger@xxxxxxxxx>, <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
CC: <mike@xxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] America at Large also denied ALS status
Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 20:38:18 +0100

The logic:

ICANN is merely the tool or instrument of the United States (to which alone it is ultimately accountable).

ICANN does not want accountability to a wider cross-section of Internet Users around the world.

Therefore ALAC was created to create a barrier to participation by individuals who might call both ICANN and its US sponsors to account.

ALAC has no voting power on the ICANN Board. ALAC has no individual members. ALAC exists to keep individuals at arms length from ICANN's key processes.

Therefore: limit membership and make it impossible for individuals to participate.

Result: most individuals vote with their feet and depart.

Effect on Participation and Forums: they are virtually dead.

End Product: ICANN and USG carry on their symbiotic relationship undisturbed.

Yrs,

Richard Henderson
  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Danny Younger
  To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
  Cc: mike@xxxxxxxxxx
  Sent: Saturday, September 17, 2005 6:14 PM
  Subject: [ga] America at Large also denied ALS status


        Date: Fri, 16 Sep 2005 13:26:17 -0700 (PDT)
        From: "RJGlass" <jipshida@xxxxxxxxx>



Hi Danny,

I'm wondering if you can help me out on something?

After pressuring, once again, ICANN for a decision on
our ALS status (AmericaatLarge), I was just informed
that we were denied certification...


thanks,
randy
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