Re: [ga] The Disappearance of ALAC's Forum Archives

[Sotiris Sotiropoulos <sotiris@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Richard et al.,

Well, I'll be... they're back!  Or, at least, the expurgated versions of 
the forums appear to be back.  Take a look: 
http://forum.icann.org/old-alac-forum/

The sham of so-called ALAC public "participation" or "comment" is now, 
once again, laid bare for all to see...

Sotiris



Richard Henderson wrote:

> I thought I would look back at the contributions anyone had taken the 
> time and trouble to send to one of the ALAC forums in 2004, and to 
> analyse how much of a "graveyard" the ALAC forums had become.
>  
> First I went to:
> http://forum.icann.org/alac-forum/
>  
> 15 posts between Oct 16 and Feb 16 (if you exclude spam). That is barely 
> one post a week (and over half of those were from Danny Younger or myself).
>  
> So then I clicked on the link on that page which says: "Messages posted 
> prior to 1 Oct 2004". This took me here:
> http://forum.icann.org/old-alac-forum/
>  
> Now I thought I could read through all the older messages which I and 
> others had sent prior to Oct last year.
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding Domain Name Registration Issues. But oh-oh... "Page 
> cannot be found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding WHOIS. Oh-oh again... "Page cannot be found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding SPAM. Well oh-oh... "Page cannot be found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding IDNs... oops, no I didn't... no comments were ever 
> submitted so there is no link
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding New TLDs. And oh-oh... "Page cannot be found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding WIPO. Same again - oh-oh... "Page cannot be found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding WSIS. Guess! Oh-oh... "Page cannot be found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding Registry Service Changes... Yawn, oh-oh... "Page 
> cannot be found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding Verisign. Dur - oh-oh... "Page cannot be found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Miscellaneous Comments. Any chance here? Nope, oh-oh... "Page cannot be 
> found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Comments regarding At Large Organizing. Thousands of posts here surely, 
> but no, oh-oh... "Page cannot be found"
>  
> I clicked on:
> Two other links but all roads led to: "Page cannot be found"
>  
> In short, it seems as if all the posts submitted to the ALAC forum prior 
> to October 2004 have *VANISHED* in the twinkling of an eye. Please could 
> we have them back? I think it is widely accepted that messages sent to 
> the ICANN's various mailing lists and fora should be archived and 
> available for review in an open and transparent fashion.
>  
> I admit that the ALAC forum is a graveyard. But we should still be able 
> to go and lay flowers, and remember, and say a little prayer for the At 
> Large. Does this mean that one day any other ICANN archive can just be 
> removed and disappear without trace?
>  
> Yrs,
>  
> Richard Henderson

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