Re: [ga] Re: [Politech] ITU's Richard Hill on ICANN's $.75 fee and Net governance

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Richard and all,

  Your remarks in response Richard are besides the points in response
to my or Eric's.  The ITU charges for many of it's falsely claimed
public documents.  That is not a public service of a reasonable
sort.

richard.hill@xxxxxxx wrote:

>    ITU members, whether governments or private sector, voluntarity pay
> fees to ITU.  Each Member State freely chooses the amount to pay.  The
> level of fees for Sector Members is set by the Plenipotentiary
> conference.  The way the ITU budget is spent (priorities, programs,
> etc.) is determined at the overall level by Plenipoteniary (every 4
> years) and in more detail by Council (every 2 years).
>
> Best,
> Richard
>
> -----------------------------------------
> Richard Hill
> Counsellor, ITU-T SG2 and SG4
> International Telecommunication Union
> Place des Nations
> CH-1211 Geneva 20
> Switzerland
> tel: +41 22 730 5887
> FAX: +41 22 730 5853
> Email: richard.hill@xxxxxxx
> Study Group 2 email: tsbsg2@xxxxxxx
> Study Group 4 email: tsbsg4@xxxxxxx
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Hugh Dierker [mailto:hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx]
> Sent: Saturday, 08 January, 2005 18:01
> To: Jeff Williams; Declan McCullagh
> Cc: Hill, Richard; General Assembly of the DNSO; Ross Wm. Rader
> Subject: Re: [ga] Re: [Politech] ITU's Richard Hill on ICANN's $.75
> fee and Net governance
>
>
> I am pretty amazed here at the blazen contempt by omission of users.
> Richard Hill should look up "resting on Laurels" in one of his
> American Heritage books (which is anything but). Taxation is the
> taking from an individual to support the infrastructure of those in
> power. Now in democracy we can change those in power, or limit the
> taxation or what it is spent on. In the ITU, UN or ICANN monolithic
> infrastructures we have no such authority. They have placed themselves
> in benevolent big brother status for the good of us neanderthals that
> only carry degrees in arcane matters and life experience.
> As I told an IT worker during a think break, all of your knowledge
> does little good if the end user is left out of the loop. What makes
> perfect sense to a designer may have no application to a user. I doubt
> large pots of frijoles make much sense to a Norwegian, or our Asian
> rice pot to and Conglolese. Similarly 75 cents don't make sense to Joe
> but might to Joe Mega International Corp. I don't like this one bit
> but until it makes my life worse or hurts me in my wallet I think I
> will just comment on it like the rest of you.
>
> Eric
>
> Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Declan, Ricahard and all,
>
> Nice try to deflect here Richard. What you seem to fail to mention is
> that
> not any or all stakeholders have equal status or can vote on issues in
>
> the ITU and the ITU charges for access to many/most of it's public
> interests documents on it's web site.... Pot-Kettle black if you ask
> me...
>
> Declan McCullagh wrote:
>
> > -------- Original Message --------
> > Subject: RE: ICANN partying like it's 1999
> > Date: Thu, 6 Jan 2005 18:20:35 +0100
> > From:
> > To:
> >
> > Declan,
> >
> > With reference to your article
> >
> > >
> > >
> http://news.com.com/ICANN+partying+like+its+1999/2010-1071_3-5495758.html
>
> > >
> > > ICANN partying like it's 1999
> > > December 20, 2004, 4:00 AM PT
> > > By Declan McCullagh
> > >
> >
> > Here are some comments that you may, if you wish, post publicly.
> >
> > As you know, ITU does not charge a per-number fee for administering
> > E.164, E.212 and/or Q.708 naming and numbering resources.
> >
> > Nor do most national regulators (although practices vary
> nationally).
> >
> > But I don't know whether that is relevant or not.
> >
> > For interest, the American Heritage dictionary gives the following
> as
> > its second definition of tax: "a fee or due levied on the members of
> an
> > organization to meet its expenses"
> >
> > Separately, I note that you state "some inchoate process involving
> the
> > United Nations' International Telecommunications Union."
> >
> > My dictionary defines inchoate as "1. In an initial or early stage;
> just
> > beginning; incipient. 2. Immature, imperfect". Now the ITU is surely
>
> > not perfect, but its processes are surely neither immature, nor just
>
> > beginning, nor at an initial or early stage.
> >
> > On the contrary, as most people recognize, the ITU's processes are
> > stable and predictable. And work well for many topics.
> >
> > Also, the ITU's processes and procedures for substantive matters are
>
> > independent of those of the UN, and ITU's work program, priorities,
> etc.
> > are determined by ITU's membership using ITU's own processes. On the
>
> > other hand, salary scales and certain staff regulations are common
> to
> > the entire UN system.
> >
> > Best,
> > Richard
> >
> > -----------------------------------------
> > Richard Hill
> > Counsellor, ITU-T SG2 and SG4
> > International Telecommunication Union
> > Place des Nations
> > CH-1211 Geneva 20
> > Switzerland
> > tel: +41 22 730 5887
> > FAX: +41 22 730 5853
> > Email: richard.hill@xxxxxxx
> > Study Group 2 email: tsbsg2@xxxxxxx
> > Study Group 4 email: tsbsg4@xxxxxxx
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>
> Regards,
>
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Regards,

--
Jeffrey A. Williams
Spokesman for INEGroup LLA. - (Over 134k members/stakeholders strong!)
"Be precise in the use of words and expect precision from others" -
    Pierre Abelard

"If the probability be called P; the injury, L; and the burden, B;
liability depends upon whether B is less than L multiplied by
P: i.e., whether B is less than PL."
United States v. Carroll Towing  (159 F.2d 169 [2d Cir. 1947]
===============================================================
Updated 1/26/04
CSO/DIR. Internet Network Eng. SR. Eng. Network data security
IDNS. div. of Information Network Eng.  INEG. INC.
E-Mail jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
 Registered Email addr with the USPS
Contact Number: 214-244-4827