Re: [ga] More on Sitefinder suspension

[Jeff Williams <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Stephany and all former DNSO GA members,

  You know as do I and I am sure Karl as well, that none of the
ICANN/Legacy/USG Root servers have been in sync on anything close
to a consistent basis sense 1996.  Hence I can only find the rest of your
rebut here to Karl as mostly of a exercise in Techno-spin.  Which
I and I am quite sure many of the knowledgeable know is an exercise
as you seem to choose to present it of very dubious value of any
kind.

Stephane Bortzmeyer wrote:

> On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 03:36:21AM -0700,
>  Karl Auerbach <karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote
>  a message of 141 lines which said:
>
> >   In order to simplify things let me adopt some simple terminology:
> >   "Root-D" stands for the dominant (NTIA controlled) DNS root - this
> >   is the one that serves the vast majority of Internet users.
> >   "Root-X" stands for any of the other root systems.
>
> It is funny that you compare Root-D with Root-X but never Root-X with
> Root-Y, another dummy root. Your scheme works because there is a
> reference: Root-D. It would not work without it. (There are a lot of
> inconsistencies between the dummy roots while they all try to keep in
> synch with ICANN.)
>
> >   B) Root-X has more top-level domains than does Root-D but for
> >   those TLDs in common, the contents are identical.
> >
> >   Case B represents the situation that obtains today between the
> >   NTIA controlled root and the other root systems.
>
> With a few problems, some TLD are not the same in both cases. It is
> typically only the case with a few small ccTLD whose situation is
> unclear (last time I checked, ".tk", for instance). Probably not a big
> problem in practice.
>
> >   C) Root-X and Root-D contain at least one top-level domain with
> >   the same name but with different contents.
> >
> >   Case C represents a situation that may readily occur and that most
> >   people consider pathological.
>
> Yes, it happens today between Root-X and Root-Y, for instance ".home"
> or ".mp3" are not delegated to the same dummy registry, it depends on
> the dummy root you use.
>
> > There are, in fact, reasons to have additional roots - not the least
> > is one situation that I've had to endure several times, the loss of
> > all connectivity to "the outside" due to natural disaster.  The
> > ability to establish a local root is a very important tool for
> > getting communications up and running pending reconnect to the
> > larger net.
>
> I agree. But many people do so, specially in the Third World, where
> complete loss of conenctivity between the country and the rest of the
> world is common. It is quite frequent for ISP or campuses to have an
> unofficial replica of a root DNS name server on their premises. It is
> easy to do, since the root zone file is public. Some even announce it
> with OSPF, creating a rogue anycast server :-)
>
> Since their content is the one dictated by ICANN, it is purely a
> technical issue.
>
> > There is also the issue that is raised by the Verisign wildcard
> > situation - what prohibitions should exist on private acts on the
> > net?
>
> Are you aware of a dummy root that redelegated ".com"?
>
> > 1. There is nothing intrinsic about the catholic root that makes it
> > scale better than competing roots.  Should Microsoft or AOL, or
> > anybody with some money to spend, wish to deploy their own roots,
> > they could easily deploy a set of servers with capacity that would
> > be amazing.
>
> I was thinking of political scaling (the ability to make policies in a
> very large and diverse environment, not a small and homogeneous
> commune), not to technical scaling (no longer a problem with anycast).
>
> > 2. I see few republics condemn communities who do have managed to
> > establish direct democratic systems.  Yet the catholic root
> > community seems to take every chance to deamonize the even the
> > concept of competing roots.
>
> Any sign of active repression from ICANN? (Besides ICP-3, I mean.)

Regards,

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