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[ga] Re: [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 45, Issue 25
- To: Carlton Samuels <carlton.samuels@xxxxxxxxx>, vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "<whois-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>" <whois-wg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx, info@xxxxxxx
- Subject: [ga] Re: [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: NA-Discuss Digest, Vol 45, Issue 25
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:31:16 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>Carlton and all,</P>
<P> </P>
<P> I concur with Volker's sentiments’ and suggested actions here.
We'ev been</P>
<P>doing this very thing for some time now. Further and better yet would
be for</P>
<P>such incidences or occurrences one would report same to their respective</P>
<P>LEA's so as to perhaps or hopefully get some more permenant or reasonable</P>
<P>effect as is or may be appropriate.<BR><BR><BR></P>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: #0000ff 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px;
MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Carlton Samuels
<CARLTON.SAMUELS@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Jul 28, 2010 1:58 PM <BR>To:
lac-discuss-en@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, "<WHOIS-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>"
<WHOIS-WG@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: NA-Discuss
Digest, Vol 45, Issue 25 <BR><BR>
<DIV class=gmail_quote><FONT class=Apple-style-span face="'comic sans ms',
sans-serif"><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: large"
class=Apple-style-span>FYI<BR></SPAN></FONT><BR>----------------------------------------------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
1<BR>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 15:31:25 +0200<BR>From: Volker Greimann <<A
href="mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>To: Garth Bruen at KnujOn
<<A href="mailto:gbruen@xxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>gbruen@xxxxxxxxxx</A>>,<BR> <A
href="mailto:na-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>na-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[NA-Discuss] Fwd: [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: Roundup of WHOIS
Issues<BR>-------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR> Dear
Garth,<BR>> Thanks again for dumping those domains.<BR>There is nothing to
it. Thats what we do everytime we receive a<BR>complaint: Investigate, and if
found to be in breach of our policies, we<BR>take down. I hope we can continue
working together without resorting to<BR>post each potentially infringing
domain name on public lists before<BR>launching a complaint with us.<BR>>
Believe it or not, I think we're making progress here.<BR>Each and every
illegally used domain name we can take down is a success<BR>for us too. So keep
those abuse reports coming, but please, use our<BR>proper abuse
channels.<BR><BR>--<BR><BR>Should you have any further questions, please do not
hesitate to contact us.<BR><BR>Best regards,<BR><BR>Volker A. Greimann<BR>-
legal department -<BR><BR>Key-Systems GmbH<BR>Im Oberen Werk 1<BR>66386 St.
Ingbert<BR>Tel.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396 901<BR>Fax.: +49 (0) 6894 - 9396
851<BR>Email: <A href="mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR><BR>Web: <A
href="http://www.key-systems.net"; target=_blank>www.key-systems.net</A> / <A
href="http://www.RRPproxy.net"; target=_blank>www.RRPproxy.net</A><BR><A
href="http://www.domaindiscount24.com";
target=_blank>www.domaindiscount24.com</A> / <A
href="http://www.BrandShelter.com";
target=_blank>www.BrandShelter.com</A><BR><BR><BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message:
2<BR>Date: Wed, 28 Jul 2010 12:29:04 -0400<BR>From: Evan Leibovitch <<A
href="mailto:evan@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank>evan@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>To: Volker
Greimann <<A href="mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:na-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>na-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[NA-Discuss] Fwd: [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: Roundup of WHOIS
Issues<BR>Message-ID:<BR> <BR>On 28 July 2010 09:31, Volker
Greimann <<A href="mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>> wrote:<BR><BR>> Dear
Garth,<BR>><BR>> Thanks again for dumping those
domains.<BR>>><BR>> There is nothing to it. Thats what we do everytime
we receive a complaint:<BR>> Investigate, and if found to be in breach of
our policies, we take down. I<BR>> hope we can continue working together
without resorting to post each<BR>> potentially infringing domain name on
public lists before launching a<BR>> complaint with
us.<BR><BR><BR><BR>Perhaps if there was better engagement, there may be a
process through which<BR>Knujon will release a draft list of domains to
registrars, which would allow<BR>them to act before the list goes public. This
would give the opportunities<BR>for the genuine "good actors" to respond as
required, while enabling the<BR>"bad actors" (who will ignore or defer the
Knujon lists) to be revealed.<BR><BR>And if there are items in the Knujon lists
that are indeed legitimate, then<BR>that discrepancy ought to be resolved as
well before they go public.<BR><BR>Volker, perhaps you and Michele (if he
agrees with this) might again advance<BR>such engagement within the registrar
community. It doesn't have to be<BR>everyone; those who choose not to engage
are free to stay away, but they<BR>shouldn't prevent those who do want to do
the right thing to do so. In this<BR>respect Knujon can be seen as a valuable
tool (to help catch the bad domains<BR>that 'slip through the cracks') rather
than just a source of confrontation.<BR><BR><BR>> Believe it or not, I think
we're making progress here.<BR>>><BR>> Each and every illegally used
domain name we can take down is a success for<BR>> us too. So keep those
abuse reports coming, but please, use our proper abuse<BR>>
channels.<BR>><BR><BR><BR>Volker, perhaps it would be in your mutual best
interests to meet Garth<BR>part-way here. Asking him to inform registrars in
advance of going public,<BR>while expecting him to automate every single
registrar's different complaint<BR>system, is not reasonable. Perhaps there is
a way to take his lists in a<BR>format that allows you to bulk-process the
identified domains.<BR><BR>You already know that Knujon does more than just
occasional single<BR>complaints. He is doing you a service and simplifying your
task of<BR>identifying illegal and improper registrations. If you're asking him
to work<BR>with you rather than to be confrontational, then it makes sense not
to put<BR>obstacles in his way of doing that.<BR><BR>-
Evan<BR><BR><BR>------------------------------<BR><BR>Message: 3<BR>Date: Wed,
28 Jul 2010 12:37:57 -0400<BR>From: Evan Leibovitch <<A
href="mailto:evan@xxxxxxxxx"; target=_blank>evan@xxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>To: Volker
Greimann <<A href="mailto:vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>vgreimann@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A>><BR>Cc: <A
href="mailto:na-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx";
target=_blank>na-discuss@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A><BR>Subject: Re:
[NA-Discuss] Fwd: [WHOIS-WG] Fwd: Roundup of WHOIS Issues<BR><BR>> Volker,
perhaps you and Michele (if he agrees with this) might again<BR>> advance
such engagement within the registrar community. It doesn't have to<BR>> be
everyone; those who choose not to engage are free to stay away, but
they<BR>> shouldn't prevent those who do want to do the right thing to do
so. In this<BR>> respect Knujon can be seen as a valuable tool (to help
catch the bad domains<BR>> that 'slip through the cracks') rather than just
a source of confrontation.<BR>><BR><BR>I should add that the technical
resources available to NARALO (mailing list<BR>creation, conference call
bridge, Doodle) can be made available to you<BR>should such an engagement
become possible.<BR><BR>- Evan<BR><BR><BR></DIV>
<DIV class=gmail_quote>Regards,<BR><BR>Jeffrey A. Williams<BR>Spokesman for
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