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Re: [ga] EFF
- To: Accountability Headquarters <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>, robin@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Subject: Re: [ga] EFF
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 26 Jun 2010 15:38:12 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>Eric, James, and all,</P>
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<P> I agree in principal as do most of our INEGroup members, with the
NCUC charter and in particular</P>
<P>with Robin Gross'es statement on the website refrenced in Eric's earlier
comments below. I do not</P>
<P>quite get what Eric is questioning about so perhaps he can focus his
question or questions a bit</P>
<P>more specifically as to what appears or seems to be a concern he has.
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<P> As a NCUC and EFF member myself, but one that is not all that active
with either yet do try to</P>
<P>stay up to date to the extent I can in my INEGroup capacity accordingly,
seems to me that James</P>
<P>previous answer was essentially the best that could be expected given the
wording of the question</P>
<P>Eric possed. <BR><BR><BR></P>
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MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker
<HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Jun 26, 2010 2:20 PM <BR>To: "James S. Tyre"
<JSTYRE@xxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: Accountability Headquarters
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<DIV>Perhaps that you are a fellow. Perhaps that I monitor the EFF, not too
closely. Perhaps that I am closely watching ICANN and the UN WSIS
followup. And partly because you are either too modest or do not want to claim
too much involvement. Your question shows the reason for my question.
Perhaps because there is "nothing recent of any significance". </DIV>
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<DIV>What is EFF doing for the Netizen???? Clearly I am not asking so
superficially to mean my question can be answered by reference to the Website
propaganda and marketing. And again, I just do not know.</DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> James S. Tyre
<jstyre@xxxxxxxxxx><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">To:</SPAN></B>
Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>; Accountability Headquarters
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Sat, June 26, 2010 10:38:51 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> Re: [ga]
NCUC<BR></FONT><BR>Hugh,<BR><BR>Would you be kind enough to give some specific
examples / more details of what you mean with respect to EFF? There have
been times, in the somewhat distant past, when EFF has been involved in some
manner in ICANN related issues. To my knowledge, however, there's nothing
recent of any significance.<BR><BR>(I am an EFF Fellow, and, as such, it's fair
to say that I know more about what EFF does than most. But I'm not
involved in every EFF issue, am not a staff attorney, do not claim to know
literally everything that EFF does. Perhaps you do know of something that
I don't.)<BR><BR>-Jim<BR><BR>At 09:29 AM 6/26/2010 -0700, Hugh Dierker
wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE class=cite cite="" type="cite"><SPAN>This constituency interests
me. I do not like the membership criterion but I can see it has its'
place. <A href="http://ncdnhc.org/";
target=_blank>http://ncdnhc.org/</A></SPAN><BR><BR>The biggest problem that I
am having with the idea is the "anti" commercial aspect. In this regard they
seem to be a bit antagonistic toward registrants. They also seem a little
against any new constituencies -- as I can tell they do not want to dilute
their stake.<BR><BR>In this same vein I am seeing a very "grab the headlines"
approach by EFF. I have not been inspired by a writing of theirs for
quite sometime.<BR>They are well funded. They are well organized. They attack
wrong when ---- well I do not really know how they decide, seems a little
strange. But they do nothing that I can see to get the people fired
up. They are not helping to organize "grass roots" "bottom-up"
support.<BR>Again it would appear they are caught in worrying about diluting
their stake,, generally of funding.<BR><BR>I could use an education on this and
gladly look forward to it.<BR></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>
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