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Re: [ga] List of Domain Names
- To: disenberg@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Accountability Headquarters <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Subject: Re: [ga] List of Domain Names
- From: "Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 15 Jun 2010 16:10:28 -0500 (GMT-05:00)
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<P>Eric and all,</P>
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<P> A couple of missives here, see below Erics remarks/statements for
details.<BR><BR><BR></P>
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MARGIN-LEFT: 0px">-----Original Message----- <BR>From: Hugh Dierker
<HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: Jun 15, 2010 1:14 PM <BR>To:
debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx, Accountability Headquarters
<GA@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: George Kirikos <GKIRIKOS@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Subject: Re:
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<DIV>Debbie,</DIV>
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<DIV>First let me say that this inquiry is extremely beneficial. It is a
perfect use of this list. Believe it or not there are still hundreds that
subscribe here and they come from an enormous cross-section of our planet and
our vocations. We find that our ratio of positive posting is in direct
proportion to good issues being raised for discussion. Last I checked this is
still the most active list at ICANN, private(they think) and public.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Costs: This is incredible. How can anyone justify these amounts? I
cc George in hope he may have some insight.</DIV>
<DIV>IMHO -- No way security and IP folks can take the heat
from a close analysis of this ridiculous, non-reflective of actual expense,
costing.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Ownership: Some folks confuse both IP rights and Privacy as stemming
from a right to own. Not at all true. Ownership does not necessarily extend any
IP or privacy interests. A public bathroom stall is very private. Your 40K car
on a freeway is in plain view and not private. Domain names are not at
all private -- yet rights to them can be fully inclusive. There is no
real justification* to make <EM>who</EM> owns them public.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> IP is not a right but a privilage. Privacy in most developed
countries is a right as determined to what degree, by that</DIV>
<DIV>countries laws there unto governing. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>More light, more accountability and more energy from user advocates is
sorely needed in this whole security DNSSEC stuff.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Most user advocates have some time ago now expressed their desire for much
better IT security and DNSSEC is a</DIV>
<DIV>part of the result that was than expressed to address those user's
rightfully expressed concerns.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>* The cops and the IP lawyers are very good at mutating any objection to
public whois -- but it is bullshit. It is power and politics that make
these public not law, logic or anyones Constitution. And now we see it is
profitable for ICANN -- go figure.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Yet most 'WHOIS'es' remain grossly inaccurate to date. As such the
objections by LEA's and IP lawyers </DIV>
<DIV>has met with stiff resistance in most jurisdictions and for good
reason(s). One of the most important of those</DIV>
<DIV>reasons is that the trust factor as to whom maintains these WHOIS
databases is too often not competant or</DIV>
<DIV>not diligent enough leaving some registrants falsely listed and thereby
imporperly exposed to legal action or</DIV>
<DIV>friviolous UDRP complaints such as the one Affilias filed in 2003 for
example. </DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Debbie Garside
<debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> Accountability Headquarters
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Tue, June 15, 2010 6:32:59 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [ga] List of Domain
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Eric</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Verisign offer the .com and .net data with changes available
for download every 5 minutes for a fee of $15,000 per month for commercial
use. Alternatively, one can apply to become an ICANN accredited Registrar
(costing approx. $6,500 and requiring at least $70,000 in the bank) and pay a
reduced fee of $1,000 for the same information - which is probably a
truer reflection of an actual cost model for the
service.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT
color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>The fees seem more than a little expensive for the commercial
option IMHO. I can only hope that ICANN's Advisory
Group for a Central Zone File Repository are successful as this will open
the market for the design of lo-cost security options protecting ALL against
trademark infringement, domain name registration account attacks and
phishing as opposed to the protection of just those that can currently
afford such services (Fortune 1000). </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I wondered if anyone on this list has any opinions on who
owns the data held by gTLD Zone Managers? I understand that gTLD
Zone File Managers are obligated to supply the data (whereas ccTLD
Managers are not) but I think it is worth while looking into how this data
can be made more accessible to bonafide companies for the creation and
enhancement of tools related to internet security but also regulated in order
that it may not be exploited for illegal purposes (spamming
etc.)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Any input welcome, on list and off, as this forms part
of my PhD research into building tools for internet/trademark/phishing security
purposes.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=873380513-15062010><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Debbie</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B>
owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>Hugh Dierker<BR><B>Sent:</B> 14 June 2010 22:02<BR><B>To:</B>
debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx; Accountability Headquarters<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re:
[ga] List of Domain Names<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Debbie,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Are you reciting something from somewhere? Let me tell you
something. Picture me getting out of a 79' chevy, walking a dust covered dirt
road into a registry --- your choice, So. America, SubSaharan, SouthEast
Asia,, to show proof of my business license and register a domain name, after
some extra cash the name is manually entered into a ccTLD data base for
.OMG. Some freakin way it gets batched and sent off to a Major NIC.
I have been in such Registries. And now who is required to do what in 10
minutes???? -- Oh yeah, I am shot at by some gov. or insurgents on my way back
to my -7 Star hotel. Oh and then my gaurdian warlord/druglord/Christian
seperatist says I am all good to meet with the PM for dinner, do I have the
check?</DIV>
<DIV>Did you know that some registries operate off of dial-up and lines still
get cut by train bandits???</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Whoever is making this announcement and mandate for
<STRONG><U>all</U></STRONG> registries needs a serious wake up call.<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Debbie Garside
<debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> Accountability Headquarters
<ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Mon, June 14, 2010 1:44:01 AM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> RE: [ga] List of Domain
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=098414208-14062010>It is necessary for this information to be available,
updated every 5 -10 minutes, from ALL Registries for security
applications.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=098414208-14062010>Thanks</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=098414208-14062010></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial><SPAN
class=098414208-14062010>Debbie</SPAN></FONT></DIV><BR>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:owner-ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Hugh
Dierker<BR><B>Sent:</B> 11 June 2010 16:44<BR><B>To:</B> Accountability
Headquarters<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] List of Domain
Names<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<DIV>Debbie,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Did you think this through? Assume something really much smaller
than it is. 10 TLD(cc's too) Xs 24 hrs a day Xs 20 registered per hour + 20
expired or transferred per hour. Now include IDNs. Now assume they all compete.
Now assume 200 jurisdictions. Now assume ten percent error. Now assume 5
percent shannanigans. Now assume 4 court/judicial orders per hour-effecting
such. And start the whole thing off by assuming 2 million to start
with.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Obviously Verising/NetSol group is huge along with GoDaddy,, and yet some
countries are literally manual,, but actually UK and CN dwarf the above numbers
all by themselves. Just in those two you have well over 300 counties/provences
that could effect registration.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>So counting trees in this forest would be like painting the Golden Gate
Bridge or counting Square board inch in a 10 hectare bamboo farm.</DIV>
<DIV>Particulars are astoundingly irrelevant to the mass. When we deal here
with individual cases, we must assume a bochuliszm type importance, -- that one
millionth of a grain could infect a whole population.<BR></DIV>
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<B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">From:</SPAN></B> Debbie Garside
<debbie@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx><BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">To:</SPAN></B> ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx<BR><B><SPAN style="FONT-WEIGHT:
bold">Sent:</SPAN></B> Thu, June 10, 2010 12:15:25 PM<BR><B><SPAN
style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold">Subject:</SPAN></B> [ga] List of Domain
Names<BR></FONT><BR><BR>Hi<BR><BR>I was doing some research a while back and I
seem to remember coming across<BR>several registries that offer the ability to
download a list of all current<BR>domain names for their registry. Does
anyone know whether this is a<BR>requirement from each registry or, indeed,
whether there is one place that<BR>holds all current domain names that is
downloadable?<BR><BR>Thanks in anticipation<BR><BR>Debbie Garside<BR>Managing
Director<BR><BR>GeoLang
Ltd<BR>http://www.geolang.com<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE><ZZZMETA
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