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[ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??

  • To: Accountability Headquarters <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Subject: [ga] Technical Management?? Spam, phishing and viruses??
  • From: Hugh Dierker <hdierker2204@xxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Wed, 9 Jun 2010 08:29:03 -0700 (PDT)

Two different concepts that you have to understand here. There is management 
via technicalities and technical management. Then there are other issues -- 
management of technology and the technology of management. 
 
How to make parts interact can be technical or social. Depends on the parts. 
Human parts have one very varied set of principals, some machine parts have 
very "on off" simplicity. The marketing of a political answer to a legal 
quandry regarding internet privacy is quite technical and requires a complex 
application of soft science in the areas of anthropology and social justice. So 
trying to make a clean seperation between technical and Poli tical is nonsense. 
 
My humor was that ICANN in its' own in house process uses the failure to apply 
technology as an excuse to avoid efficiency which would be contrary to the 
bureaucracy they have built up to justify and obscure their actions. If this 
list were allowed or was run efficiently we would be dangerous to the status 
quo. So matters like banning people, accuracy in post archiving and anti-spam 
and virus are to be kept innocuous and unaccontable in the political model that 
is ICANN.
 
As to Palmer's comments -- again he revels in a victory through silencing 
criticism as opposed to honest discourse and transparency in activity. 
Generally the sign of fear and lack of confidence in the correctness in ones' 
actions.  But he is a good reminder that ICANN is getting it done where the 
TLDA is/was failure because of even worse forsight and more lack of human 
understanding.

--- On Tue, 6/8/10, John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:


From: John Palmer <jpalmer@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Subject: Re: [ga] Re:
To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Date: Tuesday, June 8, 2010, 3:59 PM


No need to worry - I contacted a responsible party at ICANN and 
the miscreant has been removed from the list.

You can all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions, none
of which have advanced the cause of domain name owners in all
the years that I have been here.

John
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Jeffrey A. Williams 
  To: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:32 PM
  Subject: Re: [ga] Re:


  Hugo and all,



    No my experiance regarding Eric is he prefers technical management via some

  sort of politics.  I on the other hand believe that such a practice almost 
always

  ends up being folly and results in a poor solution or more likely an 
unworkable one.  

  There are no political solutions to technical problems, only technical 
solutions....  

  On a rare occasion a solution to a technical problem is agreed to or proposed 
by a 

  politician.  But those very rare occurances are usually, or nearly always as 
a result 

  of that politician consulting with a good technician or one sort or another 
before 

  offering his/her proposed solution.




    -----Original Message----- 
    From: Hugo Monteiro 
    Sent: Jun 7, 2010 5:29 PM 
    To: Hugh Dierker 
    Cc: ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
    Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 

    On 06/07/2010 10:43 PM, Hugh Dierker wrote: 
            Wow. It would seem that you do not care for technical management by 
politics.  

           



    One has to wonder what's so technical about hitting a "reject/ignore" 
button. You just made me feel i'm a rocket scientist!

    R's,

    Hugo Monteiro.


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<DIV>No need to worry - I contacted a responsible party at ICANN and </DIV>
<DIV>the miscreant has been removed from the list.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You can all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions, none</DIV>
<DIV>of which have advanced the cause of domain name owners in all</DIV>
<DIV>the years that I have been here.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jeffrey 
  A. Williams</A> </DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:32 
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Re:</DIV>
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<DIV>No need to worry - I contacted a responsible party at ICANN and </DIV>
<DIV>the miscreant has been removed from the list.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>You can all go back to your regularily scheduled discussions, none</DIV>
<DIV>of which have advanced the cause of domain name owners in all</DIV>
<DIV>the years that I have been here.</DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV>John</DIV>
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  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV 
  style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> 
  <A title=jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx href="mailto:jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx";>Jeffrey 
  A. Williams</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx 
  href="mailto:ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx";>ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx</A> </DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, June 08, 2010 4:32 
PM</DIV>
  <DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ga] Re:</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <P>Hugo and all,</P>
  <P>&nbsp;</P>
  <P>&nbsp; No my experiance regarding Eric is he prefers technical management 
  via some</P>
  <P>sort of politics.&nbsp; I on the other hand believe that such a practice 
  almost always</P>
  <P>ends up being folly and results in a poor solution or more likely an 
  unworkable one.&nbsp; </P>
  <P>There are no political solutions to technical problems, only technical 
  solutions....&nbsp; </P>
  <P>On a rare occasion a solution to a technical problem is agreed to or 
  proposed by a </P>
  <P>politician.&nbsp; But those very rare occurances are usually, or nearly 
  always as a result </P>
  <P>of that politician consulting with a good technician or one sort or 
another 
  before </P>
  <P>offering his/her proposed solution.<BR><BR><BR></P>
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solid">-----Original 
    Message----- <BR>From: Hugo Monteiro <HUGO.MONTEIRO@xxxxxxxxxx><BR>Sent: 
Jun 
    7, 2010 5:29 PM <BR>To: Hugh Dierker <HDIERKER2204@xxxxxxxxx><BR>Cc: 
    ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx <BR>Subject: Re: [ga] Re: 
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    bgcolor="#ffffff">On 06/07/2010 10:43 PM, Hugh Dierker wrote: 
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          vAlign=top>Wow. It would seem that you do not care for technical 
            management by politics.&nbsp; 
    <BR><BR></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR><BR>One has to wonder 
    what's so technical about hitting a "reject/ignore" button. You just made 
me 
    feel i'm a rocket scientist!<BR><BR>R's,<BR><BR>Hugo Monteiro.<BR><BR><PRE 
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