Re: [ga] RE: GA irrelevant

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Avri and all,

  The GA is already organized and the list rules were approved
on your watch as Chair of the GNSO council as I recall.  Hence
all that is needed is a voting mechnism for the GA to be used.
Several suggestions as to which one or how have been put forward.

  An individual registrant constituency could and I would suggest
must include ccTLD registrants or any sort in order to be inclusive.
If the GNSO's and subsequnetly the ICANN boards approval would deny
such or otherwise limit such, I for one can't immagine a good reason
why unless the proposal has other stated restrictions for access and/or
entry that would otherwise exclude those potential individual registrants
such as perhaps Digital Certs, which has been suggested as a requisite
to join such a proposed constituency as we all know that some countires
registrants do not allow for all types/forms of Digital certs, and some 
don't allow for any at all or cannot adaquately technically 'handle' same.
Language translation or lack thereof may also be yet another good reason to
reject such a proposal if such a proposal doesn't provide for a reasonable
ability to do said language translation accordingly, especially in the use
of a voting mechnisim. 


-----Original Message-----
>From: Avri Doria <avri@xxxxxxx>
>Sent: May 26, 2010 7:25 AM
>To: GNSO GA Mailing List <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA  irrelevant
>
>
>Hi,
>
>As always, you are asking for the miracle.  And I think that is good.
>
>I see the miracle as coming in two flavors:
>
>1. The GA actually organizes itself into a rational and functional group, one 
>that has a structure and can actually produce coherent comments on the issues 
>in ICANN.  Such a group would make its own niche and if it really proved its 
>worth it could eventually get a seat at the table.  I certainly don't think 
>this group in its current form deserves any seats anywhere.  But maybe with 
>work and a miracle  it could.
>
>2. If the GNSO was reorganized to include a fifth stakeholder group - 
>individual registrants.
>
>Then again, does the GA want to only comment on GNSO issues?  Hasn't the field 
>of interest grown beyond just the gTLD topics?  does anyone care about the 
>treatment of ccTLD registrants?  does this group have opinions on global 
>omnibus DNS-certs being created in ICANN?  is the GA concerned about IDN and 
>especially synchronized IDNs whether they be G of cc or ...?  what about the 
>campaign to force people to evangelize IPv6? AOC and comments for the review 
>teams?
>
>If GA is going to work toward a miracle, it might be better off orienting 
>itself toward becoming a real rational functional force in itself.  It could 
>happen, miracles do happen.
>
>a.
>
>
>On 26 May 2010, at 04:52, Karl Auerbach wrote:
>
>> On 05/25/2010 09:19 PM, Avri Doria wrote:
>> 
>>> Non commercial registrants don't need a miracle.  The Noncommercial
>>> Stakeholder Group (NCSG) already allows for individual noncommercial
>>> registrants to apply for membership.
>> 
>> It's easy to box those legal fictions known as "corporations" and 
>> "associations" and "partnerships" into commercial (or not) boxes - that's 
>> because their formation and legal existence is premised on their engagement 
>> in economic activities.
>> 
>> But human registrants don't fit nicely into the "commercial" and 
>> "non-commercial" buckets.  We people simultaneously bathe in the stream of 
>> commerce and the stream of non-commercial life.
>> 
>> It's rather Procrustean to cut and stretch us in order to fit us onto 
>> ICANN's "non-commercial" iron bed.
>> 
>> For example, my "cavebear.com" is used by me for both commercial and 
>> non-commercial purposes.  I am just as much at home in ICANN's commercial 
>> groups as in the non-commercial ones.
>> 
>> And one's activities may change their color over time - for instance things 
>> like Google started out as non-commercial experiments by individual people.
>> 
>> (By-the-way, I agree with Roberto that the burden of moving forward is on 
>> the aspirants to form the new group.  I was just suggesting that ICANN's 
>> board give a nod of encouragement.)
>> 
>>      --karl--
>> 
>> 
>
>

Regards,

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