Re: [ga] RE: GA irrelevant

["Jeffrey A. Williams" <jwkckid1@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>]

Geroge and all,

  You make some very interesting and perhaps good points.  The dramatic
style you used here is in it's own way informatively wonderous.  >:P  But
I doubt that doing so at Roberto's expense will sit well with him.  None
the less I can appriciate your use of humor to make your points.

  What I've said along with many others is that without a good process
there can be no good product/result.  Circular never ending processes
never provide for a useful or positive result, unless none is initially
wanted by some party or another in the first place.  As such, thus goes
to ligitimacy in a very broad sense.  But we all also have to recognize
that ICANN is evolving, not a chicken and egg process which in some 
sense can be seen as circular, however I am of the belief that first there
was a chicken that evolved from some other bird, and than the egg for future
chickens were laid accordingly, to borrow an analogy.  Ergo ICANN is a bird
that is evolving into a chicken that has yet to lay a chicken egg despite
much encouragement and various efforts from GA members in the role of the 
rooster.  Perhaps there is the perseption that there are too many roosters
in the GA's and therefore ICANN's barnyard, and some of the hens are 
confused and fractious accordingly.  So hunting down and killing all roosters
save one or two would be a stratagy for making the GA appear and than become
irrelevant.  

-----Original Message-----
>From: George Kirikos <gkirikos@xxxxxxxxx>
>Sent: May 12, 2010 6:00 PM
>To: GNSO GA Mailing List <ga@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
>Subject: Re: [ga] RE: GA  irrelevant
>
>
>Hi Roberto,
>
>
>----- Original Message ----
>From: Roberto Gaetano <roberto@xxxxxxxxx>
>Since the changes to the GNSO structure, proposed by the GNSO Review WG and
>the SIC, have been approved by the Board, there is the concrete possibility
>of creating a constituency for registrants. Creation of new constituencies
>has even been encouraged last year.
>
>
>You forgot to mention the total number of new constituencies that have been 
>created since that time. Let me help you. The total number 
>was....*drumroll*......wait for it..........you know what it is.......oh, the 
>suspense is killing me........
>
>Yes....it must be.....
>
>Zero! 
>
>http://gnso.icann.org/en/improvements/newco-process-en.htm
>
>Or just go to http://gnso.icann.org/ and read the left-hand column list of 
>constituencies, which has been unchanged. In Roberto's world, he'll point to 
>some "process" and think that that's a solution, and then he can wash his 
>hands clean of the problem. It's funny reading Roberto's bio at ICANN:
>
>http://www.icann.org/en/biog/gaetano.htm
>
>"He served as one of the first chairs of the DNSO General Assembly and has 
>focused his efforts in recent years on bringing to life a constituency for 
>individual users and registrants."
>
>And all that focus has led to the results of....wait for it.....zilch! Now 
>re-read the quote from above, it's pass the buck on to someone else, let them 
>do the heavy lifting, the wasting away of years in futile efforts. Even if one 
>obtains a constituency, it would be an impotent and emasculated group, given 
>the hoops that one must jump through to get both staff and Board approval, not 
>to mention the approval from other stakeholder groups/constituencies who are 
>captured (I left the BC for good reasons). No thanks.
>
>You should rewrite that bio, to talk about hotels, all expense paid ICANN 
>holidays, etc., as that would actually show the *results* of the past few 
>years, not the failed goals. 
>
>I recall when things were better, when I could simply email Vint, get a reply 
>within a few minutes about a serious issue, they'd research it and get real 
>results. It was the results that mattered, e.g.
>
>http://www.circleid.com/posts/icann_tiered_pricing_tld_biz_info_org_domain/
>
>finding a serious bug in contracts. He cared about results (even if he and I 
>disagreed on policy issues from time to time). In Roberto's world, results 
>don't matter. Process is hidden behind by the Board in order to not have to 
>explain results, to avoid accountability. Process like "our Board got an 
>executive compensation advisory specialist to confirm that paying ICANN staff 
>salaries that are far above the comparables for other non-profits is AOK." 
>Silly.
>
>http://www.circleid.com/posts/20090105_icann_for_profit_companies_comparables/
>
>Since Roberto ducked last week's direct questions:
>
>http://gnso.icann.org/mailing-lists/archives/ga-200709/msg03949.html
>
>about the Ombudsman, here's another chance. Why isn't the Board reviewing the 
>performance of the Ombudsman? It's a tough question, yes, but important.
>
>Or, would you be more likely to answer if we lobbed a few softballs, like what 
>kind of food one can expect in Colombia at the ICANN feasts, or what the 
>thread count will be of the hotel sheets at ICANN board private retreats 
>(ICANN Board Slogan = "More Retreats Than the French Army") will be?
>
>Sincerely,
>
>George Kirikos
>http://www.leap.com/

Regards,

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